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Time to do the Jurassic Park thing and bring him back! (Well at least a genetic clone.)

by bhouston 2y ago

relistan 2y ago
Not sure about Alexander, but I’m here for Lincoln.
thom 2y ago
Just his stuff, not actually his tomb (which is presumably still somewhere in Egypt, but who knows).
- tokai 2y ago
  In Alexandria, destroyed in the ~5th century. Its was a holy site for centuries and we have many sources on it. But we don't know what happen to his mummy during the destruction.
  - saas_sam 2y ago
    There's a compelling theory that Alexander's body was moved to the Basilica of Saint Mark in Venice, Italy!
  - thom 2y ago
    Or indeed its nose!
kasey_junk 2y ago
Wasn’t that the plot of “GI Joe: The Movie”?
- squiffsquiff 2y ago
  The did an episode of star trek next generation with this https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Kahless_(clone) https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Kahless_(clone)
  - nayroclade 2y ago
    That episode presents quite a plausible scenario for why notable historical figures might be cloned, in my opinion: Participants in a contemporary power struggle wanting to use their talismanic status for political ends.
derektank 2y ago
New Great Filter just dropped: Once a technological civilization develops cloning and ancient DNA analysis they decide to revive all the greatest warlords and conquerors in their history and, to everyone's surprise, all the Will to Power types cause a global thermonuclear conflict
- hshshshshsh 2y ago
  But they can't fetch the memories and psychological traumas right? The person would just look like the old person then and no personality resembling the old one.
  - fluoridation 2y ago
    They also won't be in the same political position. There aren't that many historically important men that started out as true nobodies.
    - kijin 2y ago
      They just as well might be, if they are treated as Alexander Reincarnate by everyone around them from a very young age. Not all clones will survive the pressure of all the expectations upon them, but we only need one of them to accept his destiny as Kwisatz Haderach.
      - taneliv 2y ago
        What now does this all have to do with shortening the distance? Or do you mean something else than https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kefitzat_haderech https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kefitzat_haderech ?
        foolswisdom 2y ago
        Appears to be a reference to https://dune.fandom.com/wiki/Kwisatz_Haderach https://dune.fandom.com/wiki/Kwisatz_Haderach
hshshshshsh 2y ago
Is there a program that can generate 3D view of a human by reading DNA?
- uptown 2y ago
  Yep: https://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/24/science/dna-generated-faces.html https://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/24/science/dna-generated-fac... https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/creepy-or-cool-portraits-derived-from-the-dna-in-hair-and-gum-found-in-public-places-50266864/ https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/creepy-or-cool...
  - 331c8c71 2y ago
    Would love to see representative pairs of predicted vs real faces.
  - kadoban 2y ago
    > There is, of course, no way of knowing how accurate Dewey-Hagborg’s sculptures are—since the samples are from anonymous individuals From the second one. So who knows, it is fairly likely to just be a guess? If it were real, I'd expect better uses of it than just by bored artists. Edit: I should have checked the first one, they at least show an experiment (if a sloppy one). The results are...not great it seems if the goal is it being recognizable as the person in question.
Eumenes 2y ago
The world could use another Alexander the Great about now
- AnimalMuppet 2y ago
  To destroy every existing country from Egypt to Pakistan, replacing them with a one-man-rule empire? And killing a large number of people to get there? And leaving behind a number of feuding generals when he dies, who create their own one-man-rule sub-empires? No thanks. What we have now isn't great, but I'm not sure that's an improvement.
  - Eumenes 2y ago
    Ironically, the United State's foreign policy is pretty similar to that, if the nations weren't conquered, they're controlled via friendly proxies.
    - ywvcbk 2y ago
      It’s not even remotely close to what Alexander did, almost the complete opposite in every conceivable way.
- BurningFrog 2y ago
  The world has changed. How good would he really be at drone warfare?
Hikikomori 2y ago
And use Chatgpt to fill his mind, what could go wrong?
karaterobot 2y ago
I bet you could clone 1000 Alexanders, and none of them would be The Great. You'd need Aristotle as a tutor, and to inherit one of the best armies in the world from your dad, the king, and probably a million other little things would have to align in order to give you that combination of ambition and ability. If you can arrange all that, my intuition is that the genetic factors are probably of secondary importance.
- echelon 2y ago
  Not to mention that the entire opportunity gradient is gone now.
- pennomi 2y ago
  Best I can do is raise him on a steady diet of memes and Vtubers.
- PepperdineG 2y ago
  You might end up with Khan Noonien Singh who will try and steal your ship then stick a bug in your ear

Time to do the Jurassic Park thing and bring him back! (Well at least a genetic clone.)

relistan 2y ago

Not sure about Alexander, but I’m here for Lincoln.

thom 2y ago

Just his stuff, not actually his tomb (which is presumably still somewhere in Egypt, but who knows).

tokai 2y ago
In Alexandria, destroyed in the ~5th century. Its was a holy site for centuries and we have many sources on it. But we don't know what happen to his mummy during the destruction.
- saas_sam 2y ago
  There's a compelling theory that Alexander's body was moved to the Basilica of Saint Mark in Venice, Italy!
- thom 2y ago
  Or indeed its nose!

kasey_junk 2y ago

Wasn’t that the plot of “GI Joe: The Movie”?

squiffsquiff 2y ago
The did an episode of star trek next generation with this https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Kahless_(clone) https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Kahless_(clone)
- nayroclade 2y ago
  That episode presents quite a plausible scenario for why notable historical figures might be cloned, in my opinion: Participants in a contemporary power struggle wanting to use their talismanic status for political ends.

derektank 2y ago

New Great Filter just dropped: Once a technological civilization develops cloning and ancient DNA analysis they decide to revive all the greatest warlords and conquerors in their history and, to everyone's surprise, all the Will to Power types cause a global thermonuclear conflict

hshshshshsh 2y ago
But they can't fetch the memories and psychological traumas right? The person would just look like the old person then and no personality resembling the old one.
- fluoridation 2y ago
  They also won't be in the same political position. There aren't that many historically important men that started out as true nobodies.
  - kijin 2y ago
    They just as well might be, if they are treated as Alexander Reincarnate by everyone around them from a very young age. Not all clones will survive the pressure of all the expectations upon them, but we only need one of them to accept his destiny as Kwisatz Haderach.
    - taneliv 2y ago
      What now does this all have to do with shortening the distance? Or do you mean something else than https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kefitzat_haderech https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kefitzat_haderech ?
      - foolswisdom 2y ago
        Appears to be a reference to https://dune.fandom.com/wiki/Kwisatz_Haderach https://dune.fandom.com/wiki/Kwisatz_Haderach

hshshshshsh 2y ago

Is there a program that can generate 3D view of a human by reading DNA?

uptown 2y ago
Yep: https://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/24/science/dna-generated-faces.html https://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/24/science/dna-generated-fac... https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/creepy-or-cool-portraits-derived-from-the-dna-in-hair-and-gum-found-in-public-places-50266864/ https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/creepy-or-cool...
- 331c8c71 2y ago
  Would love to see representative pairs of predicted vs real faces.
- kadoban 2y ago
  > There is, of course, no way of knowing how accurate Dewey-Hagborg’s sculptures are—since the samples are from anonymous individuals From the second one. So who knows, it is fairly likely to just be a guess? If it were real, I'd expect better uses of it than just by bored artists. Edit: I should have checked the first one, they at least show an experiment (if a sloppy one). The results are...not great it seems if the goal is it being recognizable as the person in question.

Eumenes 2y ago

The world could use another Alexander the Great about now

AnimalMuppet 2y ago
To destroy every existing country from Egypt to Pakistan, replacing them with a one-man-rule empire? And killing a large number of people to get there? And leaving behind a number of feuding generals when he dies, who create their own one-man-rule sub-empires? No thanks. What we have now isn't great, but I'm not sure that's an improvement.
- Eumenes 2y ago
  Ironically, the United State's foreign policy is pretty similar to that, if the nations weren't conquered, they're controlled via friendly proxies.
  - ywvcbk 2y ago
    It’s not even remotely close to what Alexander did, almost the complete opposite in every conceivable way.
BurningFrog 2y ago
The world has changed. How good would he really be at drone warfare?

Hikikomori 2y ago

And use Chatgpt to fill his mind, what could go wrong?

karaterobot 2y ago

I bet you could clone 1000 Alexanders, and none of them would be The Great. You'd need Aristotle as a tutor, and to inherit one of the best armies in the world from your dad, the king, and probably a million other little things would have to align in order to give you that combination of ambition and ability. If you can arrange all that, my intuition is that the genetic factors are probably of secondary importance.

echelon 2y ago
Not to mention that the entire opportunity gradient is gone now.
pennomi 2y ago
Best I can do is raise him on a steady diet of memes and Vtubers.
PepperdineG 2y ago
You might end up with Khan Noonien Singh who will try and steal your ship then stick a bug in your ear