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Now if only they could figure out how to allow charging the Magic Mouse while it’s being used. I guess that technology is still years away.
by baron816 2y ago
Now if only they could figure out how to allow charging the Magic Mouse while it’s being used. I guess that technology is still years away.
- square_usual 2y agoThe people who like the magic mouse (not me) don't care, and the people who even otherwise would never use a magic mouse get to keep making fun of it. Why would they bother?
- notinmykernel 2y agoI like the magic mouse, and I care that I can't charge it while using it. I also care that I have to activate bluetooth in order to use it, even if it's plugged in. Same with the keyboard. WTFF.
- stephenr 2y agoAre you sure about the keyboard? Mine disconnects from BT when it's plugged in (and continues to work)
- notinmykernel 2y agoYou still have to switch it "on" which means it is emitting a BT signal. It leaves users vulnerable to keylogging via BT. It's well-attested and was reported to Apple in Q4 2022. Ideally the on/off switch would not control both the power and BT.
- wtallis 2y agoIt still transmits keystrokes over Bluetooth even when it's connected over USB?
- notinmykernel 2y agoYes. It is possible intercept keystrokes for an Apple keyboard that has been previously connected to a computer or laptop. It was tested as part of this vulnerability for Apple shortcuts: https://jestlandia.github.io/apple-shortcuts-vulnerability-12032024.html https://jestlandia.github.io/apple-shortcuts-vulnerability-1....
- wtallis 2y agoDo you have a link that actually corroborates and explains this?
- notinmykernel 2y agoI can make one, yes. We thought it was irresponsible to release it at the time. But hey, times change. Will update shortly.
- al_borland 2y agoI'd get a Magic Mouse if they'd move the port. It doesn't even need to be an actual port, it could be a magnetic charger, I'd be good with that too. Just something where I can plug it in while I'm thinking of it, keep working, and unplug it when I notice it's at 100% again. Having a magnet would actually be kind of cool. It could be left up near the top of the mouse pad and you could just swing your mouse up near it when it gets low for it to snap on and start charging.
- adastra22 2y agoThere's a bumper case that converts it to use wireless charging.
- hggigg 2y agoVery easy. You sell it on eBay and buy a Logitech MX Master.
- kbolino 2y agoDoes the Logitech MX Master come with a driver that overcomes Apple's "unintentional" hobbling of non-Magic mice?
- Technetium 2y agoSeems not: https://github.com/pqrs-org/Karabiner-Elements/issues/2968 https://github.com/pqrs-org/Karabiner-Elements/issues/2968
- square_usual 2y agoWhat does that link have to do with anything GGP said? Apple isn't involved in that bug; it's Logitech's own software intercepting events.
- george_probably 2y agoIt does - it two different ways! The scroll wheel ratchet can be disabled (which is how I use it) or MX Options can override Smooth Scrolling. Or both.
- hggigg 2y agoIt does. Although I don’t use it and use this instead: https://github.com/linearmouse/linearmouse https://github.com/linearmouse/linearmouse
- notatoad 2y agoi use an MX master on my mac and it works great? in what way is it supposedly hobbled?
- kbolino 2y agoOut of the box, with no custom software installed, non-Apple mice (and even older Apple mice) will have extremely janky scrolling on modern versions of macOS. Apparently, something internal to how the OS handles mouse scrolling was changed, and only the Magic Mouse gets a proper scrolling experience using built-in drivers. It is possible to fix this, but only with custom software (either drivers for specific mice or general tools for all mice).
- epolanski 2y agoYou just reminded me of how stupid the plug beneath the MM was...You never needed to charge it, till you needed it and couldn't use the mouse.
- dijit 2y agoThere are so many legitimate reasons to hate the magic mouse. Ergonimics, the polling rate, the way the glass gets greasy, the scratchy hard plastic on the bottom. Truly, inferior to the Logitech MX Master in all ways except looks. (which is subjective). But it takes literally a few seconds to get a days worth of charge out of the mouse, Apple clearly don't want you to leave it plugged in to use as a wired mouse: why? idk, because they hate choice, or perhaps its because they know it would overcharge the battery and bulge, or perhaps even still, people would get weird expectations about "wired being better for latency" despite the mouse not using the data connections on the wire. We'll never know. But the charging on the bottom is such a non-issue in reality that it makes me wonder if anyone actually owned that mouse, or they just think it looks funny. Personally, I'd rather they fix the other issues with the mouse, the charging was legitimately never an issue.
- vundercind 2y agoYeah this is something I thought was amazingly dumb until I used one, but it’s not actually a problem. Even a little.
- rimliu 2y agoI use this "charge port at the bottom hurr-durr" remarks as a sure sign of people who never used the product.
- goosedragons 2y agoThe only reason they don't let you charge it is because it's a recycled design of the MM1 which used disposable batteries. The Magic Keyboard and Trackpad which came out the exact same day both let you use it plugged in and charging, even wired! The Magic Mouse shell was just not designed with a cord in mind at all. I have personally been in meeting where my boss forgot to charge her magic mouse and we had to wait two minutes for her to open the stuff we needed to discuss. It happens.
- ValentineC 2y agoI'm surprised Apple didn't co-opt charging mousepad tech, like what Logitech uses: https://www.logitechg.com/en-us/innovation/powerplay.html https://www.logitechg.com/en-us/innovation/powerplay.html
- ffsm8 2y agoI'm pretty sure it's patented in some way considering Logitech is still the only option for that . The product is already several years old after all (release date 2017)
- Suppafly 2y agoJust pay logitech $5/piece to license the patent and then sell them for $200, there is plenty of meat on the bone for everyone involved. Or bypass the idea of the patent altogether by making their mouse charge wirelessly and then releasing a giant wireless charger that happens to work pretty well as a mouse pad later.
- pikminguy 2y agoOption 1 only works if Logitech plays ball. They might consider the exclusivity very valuable and be unwilling to license it for anything reasonable. Option 2 is a great way to land in court. It's one thing to steal IP from a tiny company or individual but Logitech can afford lawyers.
- jsheard 2y agoApple engineers probably still have PTSD from trying to get the AirPower mat to work, I doubt they'll touch non-magnetic wireless charging again.
- staplung 2y agoDon't be foolish. We may one day cross the Atlantic in an aeroplane or conceive of a motorised carriage capable of traveling 50 miles per hour but some dreams are simply impossible!
- aqfamnzc 2y agoPutting the plug on the bottom is an intentional choice by Apple. It's because they don't want you to plug it in to charge, then never remember to unplug it. Mandatory wirelessness.
- madeofpalk 2y agoI don't believe this. I believe (unfounded) originally it was made for asthetic reasons, as to not interrupt the sushi shape, and that not being able to use it while charging was not considered to be that much of a downside. And then since then Apple just hasn't bothered spending engineering effort on 'fixing' that design decision ever since.
- fwip 2y agoMakes sense, especially because it's more impressive/magic (especially when it was introduced) when your friend/family/coworker sees you using it. If the cable was plugged in, it might just look to them like a mundane, not Magic, mouse.
- leptons 2y agoI'd sooner believe it's because they want you to buy 2 of them, so you can charge one while using the other.
- square_usual 2y agoYou'd buy a second to avoid taking a 2 minute break?
- leptons 2y agoI wouldn't buy any Apple hardware to begin with. We had to sue them in a class action because of their awful faulty hardware. We're never going back.
- throw4950sh06 2y agoI don't know, still better than all the other hardware vendors with their devices that are bad by specification.
- GeekyBear 2y agoGiven that the lightning version picks up a nine hour charge in the time it takes to take a bathroom break or go get a cup of coffee, this is more of an excuse to make fun of the design than it is a real world show stopper. > The Apple Mouse 2 also comes with a Quick Charge feature that provides nine hours of use with a two-minute charge. https://www.jackery.com/blogs/knowledge/how-to-charge-apple-mouse https://www.jackery.com/blogs/knowledge/how-to-charge-apple-...
- viraptor 2y agoThe moment it runs out of power isn't when you're you're taking a break, but while you're using it. You may change what you're doing and go take a break. But you also may be in the middle of a presentation.
- ceejayoz 2y agoIt'll warn of a low battery for weeks in advance of fully going dead.
- viraptor 2y agoAnd I'm going to ignore it. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41974645 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41974645 In the same way people miss meeting reminders ahead of the meeting and Google meet/calendar combo still fails to do a reminder at 0 minutes by default. It's a bad design that doesn't account for real behaviour.
- stephenr 2y agoThe ridiculous amount of warning time and the ridiculously quick time to get an entire days charge are good design.
- viraptor 2y agoAnd all of that doesn't change the fact that I ended up without a charge a few times and threw the MM in the bin. With the replacement, I just plug the cable in and continue using it. I don't even know how fast it charges / how long it lasts, because charging doesn't disrupt the usage.
- vehemenz 2y agoConsidering most people put the Magic Mouse in the shelf and never use it, I don't think fixing the charge port is high on anyone's list.
- al_borland 2y agoIf they are serious about their environmental goals, they should want all their products to be good enough to be used, not keep making something they know people aren't using.
- vehemenz 2y agoAgreed. Unfortunately the ergonomics and the touch surface of the Magic Mouse make it unusable for most people. The charging port issue is a red herring because it doesn't really affect anything but gets lots of attention.
- khrbtxyz 2y agoThis is form-over-function, classic Apple. They don't want to give even the slightest impression that they are selling a wired mouse.
- VogonPoetry 2y agoI think the issue is that a lightning cable and socket aren't physically designed to take the stresses of being plugged in and being used like a mouse at the same time. I've not measured it, but I could believe there is probably quite a bit of repeated vertical and sideways stress on a wired mouse's cable where it joins to the mouse body.
- encom 2y agoApple charging cables aren't designed to be plugged into anything. Their cables are notoriously terrible. I had a lightning cable on my nightstand that I plugged my phone into at night a few times a week. After less than two years the connector had developed cracks. Inexcusable.
- knallfrosch 2y agoI got a Logitech MX Vertical that you can charge while using. But why would I ever do that? I charge it 3 times per year when I'm going for lunch and that's that.
- OkGoDoIt 2y agoI generally get a notification I need to charge my mouse when I’m in the middle of using it. It’s nice to be able to plug it in without interrupting my workflow. If instead I ignore the charge notification and keep working on what I was working on, I generally then forget to plug it in however many hours later when I’ve finished work. After enough cycles of this, it dies entirely. Sure it only happens a few times a year, but you would think Apple of all companies would get this right.
- downrightmike 2y agoJust buy two at the low low cost of double the price
- jujube3 2y agoWhat if (and just hear me out here), the mouse was attached to a cord? This would have several benefits. No need to charge or have a battery. The mouse would stay near the computer and not get lost.
- Aaron2222 2y agoBecause a lot of people find corded mice annoying? To be fair though, I've seen multiple computer labs with new iMacs and old wired keyboards and mice (because they don't want them "going missing" or switching places).
- grvbck 2y agoThis! It could also have a cool, youthful design, to match the iMacs. Why not round, like a hockey puck.
- dzhiurgis 2y agoOr making mouse for adult sized hands
- RayVR 2y agoThe 'magic' mouse is garbage is magically useless. I could not care less about the charging port location. The size and shape are completely wrong for adult human use. I think it's roughly the right size for my child, aged six. I used it for about ten minutes so I could order a Logitech MX Master 3S for Mac. Of all the annoying things Apple does, this pushes me the hardest.
- gcanyon 2y agoIt literally runs a month on an hour's charge. A design that allowed charging the Apple Watch while wearing it would be much more advantageous.
- heartbreak 2y agoJobs’ Apple would’ve moved the Magic Keyboard USB-C port to the bottom of the keyboard today just to watch people whine online.
- adastra22 2y agoThere's a "bumper case" for the Magic Mouse you can get that converts it to be wirelessly charged. I want one that puts a USB-C wire I can run along the desk though. Because f*ck Apple, that's why.