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The Fediverse is getting its own TikTok competitor called Loops
- whateveracct 2y agotiktok doesn't work without the bad parts
- wordofx 2y agoThe CCP?
- throawayonthe 2y agowhat? no, the recommendation algorithm, which is inherently privacy violating - this also applies to instagram reels, youtube shorts, etc
- Yiin 2y agoI thought the same but I came to like how youtube handles shorts, I'm not sure if that's a bug on their side but I consider that a great feature. When doomscrolling it will show already watched short at like 20 or so intervals, so I can both doom scroll for quick dopamine dose and stop when I realize I already watched this short so the brain handles separation more easily.
- Sparkyte 2y agoYouTube needs a way to turn it off though. You should be able to disable short-form media on the app so you can focus on long-form media.
- computerfriend 2y agohttps://github.com/gijsdev/ublock-hide-yt-shorts https://github.com/gijsdev/ublock-hide-yt-shorts
- Sparkyte 2y agoDoom scrolling gets me when I'm in the bathroom. I ended up disabling YouTube on my phone.
- SethMLarson 2y agoPotential solution? Works for me but some folks like history: https://sethmlarson.dev/youtube-without-youtube-shorts https://sethmlarson.dev/youtube-without-youtube-shorts
- amelius 2y agoIt will certainly not work without growth-hacking strategy.
- pluto_modadic 2y agoDan makes software so fast <3
- openrisk 2y agoThe fediverse strategy of offering copycats of centralized adtech social media - but without the surveillance and ads - has not worked in the past. Who knows, the launch of Loops might break that pattern, but it would be a more enduring victory to build attractive products that are 1) new and 2) not replicable in centralized form.
- spiderfarmer 2y agoMost of the content I enjoy is produced to make money. Without a financial incentive, content creators will just ignore the platform.
- apitman 2y agoNot just without the ads. Also without the good UX.
- guerrilla 2y agoMastodon works great in the present.
- openrisk 2y agoNot for the 99.99% of people. Maybe you should raise the bar when defining "it works great".
- Sparkyte 2y agoOr maybe we can get regulate short-form media. I've never been a fan of such a wasteful format with so little accountability. You drastically shorten attention spans with such media that it doesn't benefit anyone. Although I've seen a few short-form media used to to explain small scientific phenomenons.
- 123yawaworht456 2y agomaybe we should also regulate stupid comments while we're at it
- sph 2y agoWhat do you mean "regulate"? You make to make laws against it?
- Sparkyte 2y agoWe used to have regulation on TV and media for broadcasting before the Internet. This encouraged a level of standards across media that ensured the safety for viewers alike. While this might not seem like an issue for you as a user, statistically children watch more YouTube and social media than any other person. While this might be a parent problem restricting access the quick dopamine hits from shorts has a brain altering chemistry, yeah we can alter our own brains through reward treatment, to have a shorter attention span lowering the capacity for learning and excelling in a particular study or course.
- knallfrosch 2y agoTikTok isn't about the videos, it's about the recommendations. That won't be possible without centralization, monetization and data mining. Loops will fail — if you judge by usage, that is. The goal posts will move to whatever was achieved, I guess. From "competition" to "for Fediverse users" to "offering an alternative" to "showing it's technically feasible" to "it's good people don't use it, because it wasn't meant to be addictive anyway."
- viraptor 2y agoWhy wouldn't it be possible without centralisation and monetization? You need some style of data mining, but it can be "ingest list of summaries with attributes and decide at instance/device level what to serve". The monetization may be useful to incentivise creation, but not for the service to exist in general.
- rc_mob 2y agoand hiw fast it works. Just open the app and scroll. Never any slowness issues or bugs or problems.
- DeathArrow 2y agoIt will have the same huge success Mastodon has.
- cykros 2y agoThere's still life on the Fediverse? I figured everyone had migrated to Nostr by now. Except perhaps the people running their little fiefdoms getting their dopamine hits every time they de-federate another server. The whole ecosystem makes Meta and Twitter look like bastions of free speech by comparison. It was a worthwhile experiment, but one whose outcome was "we have to do this at the protocol level if we actually want it to work."
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- Vaslo 2y ago“Everyone I don’t agree with is a Nazi”
- krapp 2y agoWell yes.. I don't agree with antisemitism, homophobia and white supremacy, and I would categorize someone who espouses such values as a Nazi. Further I would categorize any platform that caters to Nazis and considers the presence of Nazis on the platform a feature as a "Nazi bar." I'm glad you understand.
- FireInsight 2y agoI don't know about you, but every time I've looked at Nostr, I've just run in to low-quality anymous cryptospam and other distasteful things. While on fedi, my feed has been filled with nice people from the start. Maybe the problem with Nostr is that you can't really pick a starting point like you can with a Fediverse instance, combined with it attracting a certain kind of person.
- wkat4242 2y agoI use Lemmy a lot. I don't touch nostr. Another poster here mentioned the reasons, about its founder. Here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41965497 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41965497
- INTPenis 2y agoI'm highly skeptical simply because such video apps requires very low latency video streaming, only available with accompanying cloud infrastructure. And like others have pointed out, I don't think it's productive for the fediverse to go after this market.
- yellow_lead 2y agoI think the kind of people on the Fediverse are much more likely to recognize that this kind of short form content is bad for you, so I'm not sure this will be too popular.
- diggan 2y agoDo they? The most popular service on the Fediverse is Mastodon, a service specifically for short-form content (character limit is 500 or something I think), and it seems to thrive as far as I can tell, which if Mastodoners were resistant to short-form content, it wouldn't.
- hulitu 2y ago> The Fediverse is getting its own TikTok competitor called Loops It is funny how SV is copying TikTok, while, at the same time, pushing hard to ban it. Youtube already has TikTok copy (scroll to next video) from some time.
- diggan 2y agoIt's almost like the Fediverse isn't Silicon Valley, and Silicon Valley isn't the Fediverse, but instead they're two different groups of people with some overlap, but vastly different goals.
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- jmclnx 2y agoI can never get into these techcrunch articles, all I get is a page with the word "OK". Oh well, not my loss :)
- dogtimeimmortal 2y ago"...Still in the early stages, Loops is not yet open sourced, nor has it completed its integration with ActivityPub, the protocol that powers Mastodon, Pixelfed, PeerTube, and other federated apps..." Hey, PeerTube is already open source, and works on ActivityPub: https://joinpeertube.org/ https://joinpeertube.org/ this article is sort of clickbaity Note, https://loops.video/ https://loops.video/ splash page doesn't even have any content, just a sign up. "...interested testers will be emailed when it’s possible to actually start using the new app..." kinda seems fishy. Note, PeerTube is functional - you can watch and download videos on it today!
- jszymborski 2y agoPeerTube is more like YouTube than it is TikTok (or Vine before it). It seems like a nit, but there is a fundamental difference in UI.
- tentacleuno 2y agoSo why not use Peertube as the distribution medium and just build a UI? Seems like it'd be a lot easier than building an entirely new product.
- zaik 2y agoLet them build it however they want. The important thing is that it's ActivityPub compliant. Interoperability counts.
- jszymborski 2y agoI'm not the authors of Loop nor have I ever tried to contribute to PeerTube so I'm not in the best position to answer that. What I will say is that I have tried self-hosting PeerTube in the past and it felt very heavy-duty, and I'm not sure I would try to host it again.
- EGreg 2y agoNot to mention YouTube has shorts for years now
- erichocean 2y agoMaybe they can call it "Wirehead" instead.
- rambambram 2y agoSo... partaking in the 'fediverse' - whatever that stands for - requires signing up. Now I'm wondering two things: 1) How is that different than FB or Twixxer? And 2) Why not use RSS, OPML and the open web that's already like... open?
- Vosporos 2y agoWikipedia will answer these questions much better than HN
- rambambram 2y agoRead between the lines please, it wasn't a technical question.
- ensignavenger 2y agoI don't think you have to signup just to get an ActivityPub feed, but if you want to use a third parties services you may need an account with that third party.
- ensignavenger 2y agoIn fact, PeerTube provides RSS and Atom feeds, no account needed.
- jszymborski 2y agoI'm still haven't gotten to Evan Prodromou's ActivityPub book, so I may be wrong on some of the details here but my understanding is: ActivityPub has an outbox and an inbox. The outbox looks a lot like RSS, and allows for publishing things. The inbox allows you to receive interaction. Likes, replies, boosts, etc...
- _heimdall 2y agoThe big difference, and why I've never personally aligned well with the fediverse, is that its a push model rather than a pull model. RSS works without authentication (though you can require it) because your server doesn't have to know who is following you or how to notify them. ActivityPub is an attempt to add pub/sub to RSS, they actually started with many of the same data models from RSS and its successors if I'm not mistaken.
- kmfrk 2y agoIsn't hosting a Fediverse instance already cripplingly expensive? Even YouTube was bleeding money when it was acquired.
- kstrauser 2y agoMine runs mostly on a $20 DigitalOcean instance. I only have ~5K users so it’s not a giant service, but it shows you can run a small server cheaply.
- solarpunk 2y agoyou have 5000 users on a mastodon instance? i used to run an instance and i am skeptical of your numbers.
- kstrauser 2y agoYup. It’s been online for 7 years.
- solarpunk 2y agoi am assuming the majority of those users are not active then? are you using external storage for user media elsewhere? do you federate with the broader ecosystem? these numbers are otherwise nonsensical, a 20 dollar do droplet has like 100gb of storage space, and 3Tb of transfer, that'd be chewed up in less than a week by those users.
- ang_cire 2y agoI'm excited to try this, whenever it's ready. Fediverse services like peertube are great for building small communities around specific subjects/ themes. Sometimes it even feels like the old days of subject-specific forums and IRC channels that became social groups unto themselves.
- brian-armstrong 2y agoCool! Another federated doohickey nobody asked for and will never use
- euniceee3 2y agoAll the comments here are so short sighted about how the fediverse functions. Instead of one big app doing all the aggregatation by interests the fediverse is naturally divided by what makes that group cohesive. You do not need the algorithm when each users feed is being pumped by what has been siloed within that fediverse.
- Log_out_ 2y agoWait.. the virtual crack only works due to massive server farms.Opwn source doesn't have these. So they need to acquire these. They need money for that, which means adds, which means closed source in the long run.
- metalman 2y agoby the standard of calling anything on the fediverse "competitive" with tiktok ,Et al makes all of us comenting here, challengers to the heavy weight boxing title of the world and to further unpackage the title, the idea of "hype it till you make it" as applied to the unarticulated premise of the fediverse,ie: that fairness is somehow self evident and therefor somehow the inevitable choise and outcome for social media is doubly absurd facsism always starts with the basic notion that if people wont recognise and accept "fairness" then for there own good, it must be imposed