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Great to hear that they started testing it - these 1 million Robotaxi were sitting idle since 2020 ! If you believe any of Musk's bullshit, do yourself a favor

Great to hear that they started testing it - these 1 million Robotaxi were sitting idle since 2020 ! If you believe any of Musk's bullshit, do yourself a favor and listen to past investor calls from Tesla. And then check how these statements and predictions turn out in reality. "1000 times better than human driving by the second quarter of 2025". We're yet to see any reliable number from Tesla about those claims. Every single new version of FSD is "mind blowing" and looks like they "solved autonomy", for the past 4 years. And yet, they did unveil a concept Robotaxi in a ... Hollywood studio. Autonomy was solved in Hollywood studios and Theme parks 30 years ago.

Satam 2y ago
How do you reconcile his "bullshit" with the fact his spaceships are saving astronauts from space?
- basiccalendar74 2y ago
  one is a public company whose stock can be pumped up with "bullshit", other is not.
  - deleted 2y ago
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- dietr1ch 2y ago
  He's just the rich clown atop of the companies putting pressure and maybe unreasonable requests to smart people under him that as you go down the chain are actually closer to being worth their net worth.
- TheAlchemist 2y ago
  Well, simple there is no need to reconcile it ? One can be successfull in one area and fail in another. Tesla is not a bad company. As an EV maker, it's as good as it gets (although it's still bad as a business). But if it was just that, it would be valued at 10% of what it is today, at best. But it's promoted by Musk, and priced by the market, as a revolutionnary one. And if you look at the history of it, you see it's all smoke and mirrors. In the process Musk cashed out > 40 billion USD.
  - dmd 2y ago
    Anyone who thinks Tesla is “as good as it gets” hasn’t tried literally almost any other EV in the last few years.
    - TheAlchemist 2y ago
      I meant an EV maker - as a business. They are making profit* while other EV makers are mostly not. As for the cars quality, you're absolutely right. * I also believe Tesla is pretty much cooking their books to show profits.
    - ivewonyoung 2y ago
      Cybertruck became the 3rd best selling EV in the US after Model Y and 3. Looks like the people have spoken after looking at "literally almost any other EV in the last few years''.
    - Schiendelman 2y ago
      In the last year, I've driven almost every new EV available for under $100,000. Tesla has more range per dollar than almost any others. Many have antiquated, unusable infotainment systems designed for legacy cars. Some get marked up by $10,000 or more by dealers. None have the simplicity of charging. Tesla is still selling most of the EVs on the road. Slowdowns attributed to Musk's shit behavior are never compared with their peers, who are having even worse slowdowns. Having driven nearly all of them, I understand why.
      - tw04 2y ago
        >Tesla has more range per dollar than almost any others. They don't - they inflate their estimated mileage across the board. Lucid runs circles around them dollar for dollar. >Many have antiquated, unusable infotainment systems designed for legacy cars. They pretty much all have carplay and android auto which runs circles around Tesla's antiquated interface. It was revolutionary a decade ago, it now looks like a tired android skin. Have you tried youtube music? You can't even properly like or dislike a song, much less properly navigate playlists. >Some get marked up by $10,000 or more by dealers. This literally isn't a thing. I don't know of ANY EV that you can't get at cost if you spend even 30 seconds looking. The dealers marking up cars ridiculous amounts during COVID hasn't been a normal thing for quite some time. >None have the simplicity of charging. Huh? You can drive a Ford Mach-E up to a Tesla charger, attach your adapter, plug it in, and it starts charging. The very first time you ever charge a given car, you do need to start it from the app to tie a tesla account to the car itself, after that it's plug and charge. >Tesla is still selling most of the EVs on the road. Slowdowns attributed to Musk's shit behavior are never compared with their peers, who are having even worse slowdowns. Having driven nearly all of them, I understand why. Having driven nearly all of them, I think I'm questioning if you have. Literally every other car I have driven has a nicer interior, a better technology system, and basic functionality that actually works like: auto wipers, cruise control that doesn't phantom brake for no reason, things you just take for granted in any modern car that Tesla decided wasn't worth spending a couple dollars per car to have work reliably. Tesla is absolutely compared to peers, and no their peers aren't having "even worse slowdowns". https://electrek.co/2024/10/22/gm-outpaces-us-rivals-q3-fewer-ev-incentives/ https://electrek.co/2024/10/22/gm-outpaces-us-rivals-q3-fewe...
- lmm 2y ago
  The spaceships work, but they've also taken about twice as long as he's said they would to hit each milestone. His companies make some great stuff, but he also overhypes everything they do. Both things can be true.
- conradev 2y ago
  He’s exaggerated SpaceX timelines, too. It is well established that he does this: https://sherwood.news/business/elon-musk-tesla-timeline-robotaxis/ https://sherwood.news/business/elon-musk-tesla-timeline-robo... In Tesla’s case, it might be more of a problem because they sell to consumers: https://electrek.co/2024/10/15/tesla-needs-to-come-clean-about-hw3-before-the-word-fraud-comes-out/ https://electrek.co/2024/10/15/tesla-needs-to-come-clean-abo... But besides that, it only really affects investor outlook.
  - signatoremo 2y ago
    Space is hard. If you think SpaceX exaggerated their timeline, then NASA (JWST, SLS, Artemis), Blue Origin, ULA, Rocket Lab, Arianne all did. See how late their rockets have been?
- cma 2y ago
  Have you read his SpaceX claims? He claimed he'll have passenger rocket service operating by 2028 for around $1000 a ticket.
- D-Coder 2y ago
  Musk is not running SpaceX.
- serf 2y ago
  >How do you reconcile his "bullshit" with the fact his spaceships are saving astronauts from space? this reminds me of a common political tactic. "Mr. SoandSo couldn't be lying, look at his donation records and philanthropy! Look at the jobs he produced! The profit he has generated!" Well, the matter-of-fact is that there is no need to reconcile the two states. He's a highly effective individual who has had great success in certain fields -- he's also a huckster con-man that over-promises and under-sells. One could argue that his effectiveness on one sided is aided by his willing to take ethical shortcuts with his portrayed opinions and 'honesty' on the other side. There are no pure shades of color in the human psyche. I think fans of his would just call it '4D chess' and refer to his genius. Whatever floats your boat. Taking your idea into straight non-sense : how many days does this space mission add to our expectation on FSD delivery? Are there grounds for a class-action lawsuit against Boeing originating from Tesla owners that are unhappy with the additional stress to the time-line? Sounds ridiculous from the other side...
- marcusverus 2y ago
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- tw04 2y ago
  >How do you reconcile his "bullshit" with the fact his spaceships are saving astronauts from space? Easy - they aren't "his spaceships". He funded a bunch of other really smart people doing incredible things with rockets. That doesn't really exonerate him from continually spewing bullshit. If you want to go with Space-X bullshit - in 2016 he said there would be manned missions to Mars in 2024. He did it again in 2017, and multiple times after that. If there's one thing you can be sure of, whatever date Elon tells you something is going to happen, you should promptly throw into the trash where it belongs and try to find someone else at the company in question that isn't a pathological liar to give you a realistic timeline.
ryandrake 2y ago
It's too bad the webmaster of elonmusk.today[1] hasn't kept it up to date with all of his BS promises. I guess it was too much content to keep track of, even for him! 1: https://elonmusk.today https://elonmusk.today
treme 2y ago
The man may exaggerate pace of progress but he has more than proved him self with TESLA, SpaceX, Neuralink. that's 3 bleeding edge companies in 3 different industries. p.s) For those misinformed about state of Neuralink. Currently in beta with quadriplegic patients. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVcMpjIY52Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVcMpjIY52Q
- CPLX 2y ago
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  - leoh 2y ago
    Idk why this is getting downvoted because it’s basically true
    - CPLX 2y ago
      I’m not following too closely. Maybe they’re getting the crippled on dancing with the stars by now for all I know. But so far I haven’t heard anything about that company that qualifies as “proven” in any way.
    - treme 2y ago
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVcMpjIY52Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVcMpjIY52Q basically not. Literally life changing already for this person.
      - kibwen 2y ago
        We had quadriplegics using brain-computer interfaces to control computers since the 90s. We had neuro implants giving sight to the blind since the 2000s. The problem is not making it work at all, the problem is making the implant work in the long-term in a way that the body doesn't eventually reject. Neuralink is still catching up to where we were 20 years ago, only fronted by a dancing monkey trying to hype himself up as the technoking.
bitshiftfaced 2y ago
Tesla might benefit from an in-house prediction platform to pour cold water on some of these forecasts. That said, I was not expecting the chopsticks to catch Starship so soon.
- arcticbull 2y ago
  Yeah Gwynne Shotwell is doing a great job running SpaceX.
  - bitshiftfaced 2y ago
    And probably almost everyone working there, too. Stellar company.

Satam 2y ago

How do you reconcile his "bullshit" with the fact his spaceships are saving astronauts from space?

basiccalendar74 2y ago
one is a public company whose stock can be pumped up with "bullshit", other is not.
- deleted 2y ago
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dietr1ch 2y ago
He's just the rich clown atop of the companies putting pressure and maybe unreasonable requests to smart people under him that as you go down the chain are actually closer to being worth their net worth.
TheAlchemist 2y ago
Well, simple there is no need to reconcile it ? One can be successfull in one area and fail in another. Tesla is not a bad company. As an EV maker, it's as good as it gets (although it's still bad as a business). But if it was just that, it would be valued at 10% of what it is today, at best. But it's promoted by Musk, and priced by the market, as a revolutionnary one. And if you look at the history of it, you see it's all smoke and mirrors. In the process Musk cashed out > 40 billion USD.
- dmd 2y ago
  Anyone who thinks Tesla is “as good as it gets” hasn’t tried literally almost any other EV in the last few years.
  - TheAlchemist 2y ago
    I meant an EV maker - as a business. They are making profit* while other EV makers are mostly not. As for the cars quality, you're absolutely right. * I also believe Tesla is pretty much cooking their books to show profits.
  - ivewonyoung 2y ago
    Cybertruck became the 3rd best selling EV in the US after Model Y and 3. Looks like the people have spoken after looking at "literally almost any other EV in the last few years''.
  - Schiendelman 2y ago
    In the last year, I've driven almost every new EV available for under $100,000. Tesla has more range per dollar than almost any others. Many have antiquated, unusable infotainment systems designed for legacy cars. Some get marked up by $10,000 or more by dealers. None have the simplicity of charging. Tesla is still selling most of the EVs on the road. Slowdowns attributed to Musk's shit behavior are never compared with their peers, who are having even worse slowdowns. Having driven nearly all of them, I understand why.
    - tw04 2y ago
      >Tesla has more range per dollar than almost any others. They don't - they inflate their estimated mileage across the board. Lucid runs circles around them dollar for dollar. >Many have antiquated, unusable infotainment systems designed for legacy cars. They pretty much all have carplay and android auto which runs circles around Tesla's antiquated interface. It was revolutionary a decade ago, it now looks like a tired android skin. Have you tried youtube music? You can't even properly like or dislike a song, much less properly navigate playlists. >Some get marked up by $10,000 or more by dealers. This literally isn't a thing. I don't know of ANY EV that you can't get at cost if you spend even 30 seconds looking. The dealers marking up cars ridiculous amounts during COVID hasn't been a normal thing for quite some time. >None have the simplicity of charging. Huh? You can drive a Ford Mach-E up to a Tesla charger, attach your adapter, plug it in, and it starts charging. The very first time you ever charge a given car, you do need to start it from the app to tie a tesla account to the car itself, after that it's plug and charge. >Tesla is still selling most of the EVs on the road. Slowdowns attributed to Musk's shit behavior are never compared with their peers, who are having even worse slowdowns. Having driven nearly all of them, I understand why. Having driven nearly all of them, I think I'm questioning if you have. Literally every other car I have driven has a nicer interior, a better technology system, and basic functionality that actually works like: auto wipers, cruise control that doesn't phantom brake for no reason, things you just take for granted in any modern car that Tesla decided wasn't worth spending a couple dollars per car to have work reliably. Tesla is absolutely compared to peers, and no their peers aren't having "even worse slowdowns". https://electrek.co/2024/10/22/gm-outpaces-us-rivals-q3-fewer-ev-incentives/ https://electrek.co/2024/10/22/gm-outpaces-us-rivals-q3-fewe...
lmm 2y ago
The spaceships work, but they've also taken about twice as long as he's said they would to hit each milestone. His companies make some great stuff, but he also overhypes everything they do. Both things can be true.
conradev 2y ago
He’s exaggerated SpaceX timelines, too. It is well established that he does this: https://sherwood.news/business/elon-musk-tesla-timeline-robotaxis/ https://sherwood.news/business/elon-musk-tesla-timeline-robo... In Tesla’s case, it might be more of a problem because they sell to consumers: https://electrek.co/2024/10/15/tesla-needs-to-come-clean-about-hw3-before-the-word-fraud-comes-out/ https://electrek.co/2024/10/15/tesla-needs-to-come-clean-abo... But besides that, it only really affects investor outlook.
- signatoremo 2y ago
  Space is hard. If you think SpaceX exaggerated their timeline, then NASA (JWST, SLS, Artemis), Blue Origin, ULA, Rocket Lab, Arianne all did. See how late their rockets have been?
cma 2y ago
Have you read his SpaceX claims? He claimed he'll have passenger rocket service operating by 2028 for around $1000 a ticket.
D-Coder 2y ago
Musk is not running SpaceX.
serf 2y ago
>How do you reconcile his "bullshit" with the fact his spaceships are saving astronauts from space? this reminds me of a common political tactic. "Mr. SoandSo couldn't be lying, look at his donation records and philanthropy! Look at the jobs he produced! The profit he has generated!" Well, the matter-of-fact is that there is no need to reconcile the two states. He's a highly effective individual who has had great success in certain fields -- he's also a huckster con-man that over-promises and under-sells. One could argue that his effectiveness on one sided is aided by his willing to take ethical shortcuts with his portrayed opinions and 'honesty' on the other side. There are no pure shades of color in the human psyche. I think fans of his would just call it '4D chess' and refer to his genius. Whatever floats your boat. Taking your idea into straight non-sense : how many days does this space mission add to our expectation on FSD delivery? Are there grounds for a class-action lawsuit against Boeing originating from Tesla owners that are unhappy with the additional stress to the time-line? Sounds ridiculous from the other side...
marcusverus 2y ago
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tw04 2y ago
>How do you reconcile his "bullshit" with the fact his spaceships are saving astronauts from space? Easy - they aren't "his spaceships". He funded a bunch of other really smart people doing incredible things with rockets. That doesn't really exonerate him from continually spewing bullshit. If you want to go with Space-X bullshit - in 2016 he said there would be manned missions to Mars in 2024. He did it again in 2017, and multiple times after that. If there's one thing you can be sure of, whatever date Elon tells you something is going to happen, you should promptly throw into the trash where it belongs and try to find someone else at the company in question that isn't a pathological liar to give you a realistic timeline.

ryandrake 2y ago

It's too bad the webmaster of elonmusk.today[1] hasn't kept it up to date with all of his BS promises. I guess it was too much content to keep track of, even for him! 1: https://elonmusk.today https://elonmusk.today

treme 2y ago

The man may exaggerate pace of progress but he has more than proved him self with TESLA, SpaceX, Neuralink. that's 3 bleeding edge companies in 3 different industries. p.s) For those misinformed about state of Neuralink. Currently in beta with quadriplegic patients. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVcMpjIY52Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVcMpjIY52Q

CPLX 2y ago
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- leoh 2y ago
  Idk why this is getting downvoted because it’s basically true
  - CPLX 2y ago
    I’m not following too closely. Maybe they’re getting the crippled on dancing with the stars by now for all I know. But so far I haven’t heard anything about that company that qualifies as “proven” in any way.
  - treme 2y ago
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVcMpjIY52Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVcMpjIY52Q basically not. Literally life changing already for this person.
    - kibwen 2y ago
      We had quadriplegics using brain-computer interfaces to control computers since the 90s. We had neuro implants giving sight to the blind since the 2000s. The problem is not making it work at all, the problem is making the implant work in the long-term in a way that the body doesn't eventually reject. Neuralink is still catching up to where we were 20 years ago, only fronted by a dancing monkey trying to hype himself up as the technoking.

bitshiftfaced 2y ago

Tesla might benefit from an in-house prediction platform to pour cold water on some of these forecasts. That said, I was not expecting the chopsticks to catch Starship so soon.

arcticbull 2y ago
Yeah Gwynne Shotwell is doing a great job running SpaceX.
- bitshiftfaced 2y ago
  And probably almost everyone working there, too. Stellar company.