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Strongly opposed to any sort of sanction regime that results in this.
by whimsicalism 2y ago
Strongly opposed to any sort of sanction regime that results in this.
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 2y ago[flagged]
- whimsicalism 2y agoFrankly, that is completely irrelevant to the kernel maintainers list.
- rvnx 2y agoIt's of the main reasons these sanctions exist. It's the biggest topic in Europe since WW2.
- whimsicalism 2y agoWell, I oppose the inclusion of OSS in those sanctions. I’m also generally skeptical of the theory of change - economic decoupling generally doesn’t make conflict less likely or protracted.
- selimthegrim 2y agoSo you think in 1992 when FRY was sanctioned research and Internet links should not have been affected when flights were suspended for example?
- whimsicalism 2y agoI don’t know a lot about that sanctions regime. If it was targeted stuff related to directly preventing the ongoing genocides, sure keep them - but in general, I would be opposed.
- rvnx 2y agoThey are somewhat collateral victims of the war and of the bad political choices (both sides) sadly.
- type0 2y agoAs far I understand software itself is not included in US sanctions, it's the infrastructure, websites, mailing lists etc
- even_639765 2y ago[flagged]
- r2_pilot 2y agoYou can try to ask dang but for technical reasons he is unlikely to fulfill your request.
- rvnx 2y ago"we reserve the right to refuse to (i) delete any of the submissions, favorites, or comments you posted on the Hacker News site or linked in your profile and/or (ii) remove their association with your Hacker News ID." In addition to GDPR (which is EU law but US companies have to respect it too), it may violate local state laws in the US too that you can't delete the account, if someone knows. Best is somehow rather not to post if you don't want to have your messages recorded and linked to you.
- whimsicalism 2y agoimo its a violation of the CCPA but they don’t agree
- even_639765 2y agoThanks for the info. Appreciated.
- deleted 2y ago[deleted]
- Eumenes 2y agoSay some naughty words?
- maximinus_thrax 2y agoYou can just stop coming here. It's super easy.
- chatmasta 2y agoThe Linux kernel will outlast any war and even many countries. It’s an institution, and in some ways it fosters more global collaboration and interdependence than even the UN. Bifurcating it along geopolitical lines is a short-sighted, lose/lose reaction to an inarticulable problem.
- jiggawatts 2y ago[flagged]
- whimsicalism 2y agoWho is the “our” that owns Linux? It is a human project and any human should be able to be maintainer. Liberalism is what makes our society great, not paranoia and securitization.
- FredPret 2y agoSo they can fork it and roll their own version of Linux. Russia-ux.
- braincat31415 2y agoNot sure if you are joking or not, but BRICS certainly have enough developers for that effort, especially if it is encouraged and financed by the member states. I would not be surprised if this happens.
- throw0101c 2y ago> Who is the “our” that owns Linux? Well, the Linux Foundation which owns the Linux® trademark and employs the primary maintainer is based in the US: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_Foundation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_Foundation Some of the most active contributer employers are Intel, Google, Linaro, AMD, Red Hat, SuSE, Meta, Oracle, Qualcomm, IBM, NVIDIA, TI, Arm, Microsoft: * https://lwn.net/Articles/972605/ https://lwn.net/Articles/972605/ * https://kernelnewbies.org/DevelopmentStatistics https://kernelnewbies.org/DevelopmentStatistics which are based in countries that have Russia on a sanctions list. The main contributer employer based in a country that doesn't have Russia on some list is Huawei. So given those folks contribute the most code to Linux, they may not want possible complications with regards to possible legal issues.
- csense 2y agoLet me spell it out for you: If Project P in Country A is identified by Country B as a potential target for planting cyber-attack-enabling backdoors, Country B has an incentive to find people to put a backdoor in P. If Country B is a free country with rights and ethics, they will say "Help us put a backdoor in P. We'll pay you very well for services rendered," or try to get someone who already works for Country B intelligence into P's management structure. If Country B is an "evil" country, they will do all of the above, but will also tell people of influence in P who live or have family in Country B or its allies, "Help us put a backdoor in P. If you refuse or if the backdoor doesn't work or if the legitimate workers of P find it and remove it before it helps us, you'll be arrested and/or tortured and/or killed and/or your family too." Removing Russian based kernel maintainers from positions in which they could conceivably help insert a backdoor into the kernel hopefully removes the incentive for the Russian government to threaten (or carry out) horrific violence against these individuals and their families.
- stop_nazi 2y ago[dead]
- rvnx 2y agoWhile everything you mention is absolutely true, to the credit of the opinion of whimsicalism, any maintainer worldwide could get offered tons of bitcoins to integrate a backdoor / "bug". True life-changing money, in all absolute sense.
- nineteen999 2y ago
- type0 2y agoby that logic N.Korean subjugates should also get maintainer rights if you really think so strongly about it maybe you should run "Red Star OS" instead
- whimsicalism 2y agoNorth Korean maintainers should be allowed, imo
- thayne 2y agoDo sanctions ever actually work as intended? To this casual bystander it seems like they usually hurt innocent citizens far more than the leaders of the usually authoritarion regime that it targets.
- Suppafly 2y ago>To this casual bystander it seems like they usually hurt innocent citizens far more than the leaders of the usually authoritarion regime that it targets. That's kinda the point. The common folk put pressure on their leaders to correct their behavior.
- thayne 2y agoThat assumes the common folk can put pressure on their leaders, which is usually not the case for countries targeted by sanctions from the US, which usually have autocratic or otherwise authoritarian governments.
- nradov 2y agoHistory is full of violent revolutions against autocratic governments. We should inflict maximum pain on the Russian populace. Be as cruel as possible. Keep the pressure on. Eventually it might pay off. And even if it doesn't work, it serves as an object lesson to other countries on the consequences of opposing US policies.
- throw-the-towel 2y agoSo, what you want is essentially pushing a whole country's population around for your own amusement? Very motivating, not gonna lie!
- account42 2y agoLike it or not, the leader derives his power from the populace. An autocrat is powerless without people going along.