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That explains quite a lot about dentistry in USSR

by watt 2y ago

riehwvfbk 2y ago
It explains your bias and preconceived notions. One could read the story as "people had to do what they had to in order to survive and help their fellow humans". But no, you choose to focus on "Soviet dentistry hurrr" without knowing a thing about it. The article is also guilty. It talks at length about this book with a story of horrible torture that is entirely made up. Essentially that book is a collection of every stereotype and conspiracy mashed into one. The modern-day equivalent would be a book about how QAnon and Pizzagate are real. But no, the author says "the book is a lie, but Russia is bad so it's justified", missing the obvious: the book is trash.
throw3638 2y ago
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- Moomoomoo309 2y ago
  I've often heard this claim touted - that people hired via DEI initiatives are incompetent or cannot do their job - do you have any statistics showing it? It always sounded to me like an "obvious conclusion" that was never proven, just assumed to be true, but I'm interested to see how the numbers play out, if any exist.
  - krageon 2y ago
    Having been part of many such hiring initiatives, it hasn't ever panned out in any of my data. It means that everyone needs to be less of a shithead (because folks are no longer broadly homogenous), which makes everything a lot more bearable. The work is the same, but the people are better to each other. It's not that surprising everything ends up working better a year or two later.
  - throw3638 2y ago
    Well, president mentioned some time ago "pregnancy flight suits" for fighter jet pilots. I have no data how pregnancy and 10G are compatible. Also there are no physiological differences. So I guess you are right!
    - Urist-Green 2y ago
      The truth is less exciting. The flight suits are for air crew. The air force has a wide array of craft that need plenty of crew on board that will not go through the stresses of fighter combat.
      - throw3638 2y ago
        Or more likely they will never get deployed.
  - myrmidon 2y ago
    > that people hired via DEI initiatives are incompetent or cannot do their job I think this is a strawman. The argument would be that if you hire for diversity, you are no longer hiring for capability first (which is much harder to refute than the straw-man "all DEI hires are incompetent"). You could make an argument for DEI-hiring being possibly helpful against nepotism, though. Personally, I think that DEI efforts (especially quota-driven hiring) just paper over underlying problems while being actively unethical on their own (discriminating against the majority, basically).
    - pyrale 2y ago
      > The argument would be that if you hire for diversity, you are no longer hiring for capability first That claim is also hard to prove in the first place, but apparently people can just peddle it, and expect other people to do the hard work to debunk it. Usually, whenever you start asking people to justify that claim, you end up with an anecdote or two and, if you point out that anecdotal data don't make a point, personal attacks.
      - throw3638 2y ago
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        Moomoomoo309 2y ago
        See, this is exactly what I was referring to. It's "obvious" that these things happen as a result of DEI, but you provide no evidence for it. Some anecdotes, sure, but I want to see how it plays out broadly - I'm sure there are cases where it's good and cases where it's bad if you just pick anecdotes from the data! I also think calling out censorship for this is lazy, to be honest. I really doubt a topic as contentious as DEI has no useful data to prove your point.
        throw3638 2y ago
        You assume we are having some sort of discussion. Like I say sken rational argument, you say something back, than I refute it... Nobody gets cancelled, or death threats... > want to see how it plays out broadly - I'm sure there are cases where it's good Old promise for DEI was to improve efficiency by unlocking potential in groups that could not work. Are there some data to suggest it is working? All I see is move from "equality" to "equity" bcos some people are just lazy.
supermatt 2y ago
Clearly you didn't read the article. The grandmother was in Poland.
- throw3638 2y ago
  It is called holocaust denial, and crime in many countries including Poland. A#hole!
  - supermatt 2y ago
    What are you on about? The GP said that it explains dentistry in the USSR - Poland wasn't in the USSR.
    - eadmund 2y ago
      Well, roughly a third of pre-WWII Poland ended up in the USSR and remains part of Russia today: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_invasion_of_Poland https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_invasion_of_Poland
      - jhbadger 2y ago
        And a fair chunk of pre-WWII Germany ended up in Poland. Poland basically moved westward, losing parts in the east and gaining territory in the west.
    - throw3638 2y ago
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    - aguaviva 2y ago
      Poland wasn't in the USSR But large chunks of it did become part of the USSR, as the article points out very clearly: Zosia grew up fatherless in Vilnius, which between the wars belonged to Poland and was called Wilno. On 1 September 1939, she was just about to start her first year of medical school when Germany invaded Poland. Sixteen days later, the Soviet Union joined in, and quickly took Wilno, along with most of Poland’s east. A month later, the Soviets gave the city to Lithuania, which had coveted it since the end of the previous war. As the sibling comment also points out, though it is mistaken in the implication that these lands were inherited by Russia after the fall of the USSR. In fact they went to Ukraine, Belarus, and Lithuania (first as Republics within the USSR, then as independent countries).

That explains quite a lot about dentistry in USSR

by watt 2y ago

That explains quite a lot about dentistry in USSR

It explains your bias and preconceived notions. One could read the story as "people had to do what they had to in order to survive and help their fellow humans". But no, you choose to focus on "Soviet dentistry hurrr" without knowing a thing about it. The article is also guilty. It talks at length about this book with a story of horrible torture that is entirely made up. Essentially that book is a collection of every stereotype and conspiracy mashed into one. The modern-day equivalent would be a book about how QAnon and Pizzagate are real. But no, the author says "the book is a lie, but Russia is bad so it's justified", missing the obvious: the book is trash.

throw3638 2y ago

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Moomoomoo309 2y ago
I've often heard this claim touted - that people hired via DEI initiatives are incompetent or cannot do their job - do you have any statistics showing it? It always sounded to me like an "obvious conclusion" that was never proven, just assumed to be true, but I'm interested to see how the numbers play out, if any exist.
- krageon 2y ago
  Having been part of many such hiring initiatives, it hasn't ever panned out in any of my data. It means that everyone needs to be less of a shithead (because folks are no longer broadly homogenous), which makes everything a lot more bearable. The work is the same, but the people are better to each other. It's not that surprising everything ends up working better a year or two later.
- throw3638 2y ago
  Well, president mentioned some time ago "pregnancy flight suits" for fighter jet pilots. I have no data how pregnancy and 10G are compatible. Also there are no physiological differences. So I guess you are right!
  - Urist-Green 2y ago
    The truth is less exciting. The flight suits are for air crew. The air force has a wide array of craft that need plenty of crew on board that will not go through the stresses of fighter combat.
    - throw3638 2y ago
      Or more likely they will never get deployed.
- myrmidon 2y ago
  > that people hired via DEI initiatives are incompetent or cannot do their job I think this is a strawman. The argument would be that if you hire for diversity, you are no longer hiring for capability first (which is much harder to refute than the straw-man "all DEI hires are incompetent"). You could make an argument for DEI-hiring being possibly helpful against nepotism, though. Personally, I think that DEI efforts (especially quota-driven hiring) just paper over underlying problems while being actively unethical on their own (discriminating against the majority, basically).
  - pyrale 2y ago
    > The argument would be that if you hire for diversity, you are no longer hiring for capability first That claim is also hard to prove in the first place, but apparently people can just peddle it, and expect other people to do the hard work to debunk it. Usually, whenever you start asking people to justify that claim, you end up with an anecdote or two and, if you point out that anecdotal data don't make a point, personal attacks.
    - throw3638 2y ago
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      - Moomoomoo309 2y ago
        See, this is exactly what I was referring to. It's "obvious" that these things happen as a result of DEI, but you provide no evidence for it. Some anecdotes, sure, but I want to see how it plays out broadly - I'm sure there are cases where it's good and cases where it's bad if you just pick anecdotes from the data! I also think calling out censorship for this is lazy, to be honest. I really doubt a topic as contentious as DEI has no useful data to prove your point.
        throw3638 2y ago
        You assume we are having some sort of discussion. Like I say sken rational argument, you say something back, than I refute it... Nobody gets cancelled, or death threats... > want to see how it plays out broadly - I'm sure there are cases where it's good Old promise for DEI was to improve efficiency by unlocking potential in groups that could not work. Are there some data to suggest it is working? All I see is move from "equality" to "equity" bcos some people are just lazy.

supermatt 2y ago

Clearly you didn't read the article. The grandmother was in Poland.

throw3638 2y ago
It is called holocaust denial, and crime in many countries including Poland. A#hole!
- supermatt 2y ago
  What are you on about? The GP said that it explains dentistry in the USSR - Poland wasn't in the USSR.
  - eadmund 2y ago
    Well, roughly a third of pre-WWII Poland ended up in the USSR and remains part of Russia today: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_invasion_of_Poland https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_invasion_of_Poland
    - jhbadger 2y ago
      And a fair chunk of pre-WWII Germany ended up in Poland. Poland basically moved westward, losing parts in the east and gaining territory in the west.
  - throw3638 2y ago
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  - aguaviva 2y ago
    Poland wasn't in the USSR But large chunks of it did become part of the USSR, as the article points out very clearly: Zosia grew up fatherless in Vilnius, which between the wars belonged to Poland and was called Wilno. On 1 September 1939, she was just about to start her first year of medical school when Germany invaded Poland. Sixteen days later, the Soviet Union joined in, and quickly took Wilno, along with most of Poland’s east. A month later, the Soviets gave the city to Lithuania, which had coveted it since the end of the previous war. As the sibling comment also points out, though it is mistaken in the implication that these lands were inherited by Russia after the fall of the USSR. In fact they went to Ukraine, Belarus, and Lithuania (first as Republics within the USSR, then as independent countries).