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It is indeed heartbreaking. But I don't see moral outrage solving the issue any time soon. People will rather forget about this reality than stop the consumptio

It is indeed heartbreaking. But I don't see moral outrage solving the issue any time soon. People will rather forget about this reality than stop the consumption. If anyone wants to actually work towards solving the issue they should probably go there and try to invest in ways to clean up the practice. Better tools, better profitability. Education. Etc.

greedylizard 2y ago
> go there and try to invest in ways to clean up the practice. You think the problem that needs to be solved is “there”? This sentence makes me question whose consumption you’re referring to in the previous sentence.
- XorNot 2y ago
  It is literally only there. This problem exists because the governments of these places allow it to happen. The reason it doesn't happen here is because we have strong environmental regulations here.
  - ta988 2y ago
    For now
  - mrguyorama 2y ago
    "Strong environmental regulations" would make it impossible to just ship to someone without.
- worldsayshi 2y ago
  Solve the problem at whatever junction that is exposed for a solution is my point. Being outraged about stuff seems to not magically solve problems. Rather it often has a similar effect as ruminating about problems when being depressed. It often enforces the idea that the problem is somehow unsolvable. Not saying outrage doesn't have a place. Just that other means might be more efficient.
BirAdam 2y ago
A bit of a controversial take, but I think the reason that this won’t get solved is the AGW movement. Rather than addressing things like pollution, waste, strip mining, environmental toxicity, and so on the green movement was hijacked to care about a single aspect of environmentalism because rich people could get even richer trading carbon futures.
- worldsayshi 2y ago
  > movement [X] was hijacked to care about a single aspect of [Y] I think this is a symptom of a larger issue that has nothing to do with environmentalism. Global cultural consciousness is getting more centralized. There isn't as much room on any particular agenda for multiple facets of any one issue when everything is being bottle necked through a much more centralized cultural sphere.
beepbooptheory 2y ago
What is this thing that is both heartbreaking but without any reason for outrage? Like getting rejected from the school dance?

greedylizard 2y ago

> go there and try to invest in ways to clean up the practice. You think the problem that needs to be solved is “there”? This sentence makes me question whose consumption you’re referring to in the previous sentence.

XorNot 2y ago
It is literally only there. This problem exists because the governments of these places allow it to happen. The reason it doesn't happen here is because we have strong environmental regulations here.
- ta988 2y ago
  For now
- mrguyorama 2y ago
  "Strong environmental regulations" would make it impossible to just ship to someone without.
worldsayshi 2y ago
Solve the problem at whatever junction that is exposed for a solution is my point. Being outraged about stuff seems to not magically solve problems. Rather it often has a similar effect as ruminating about problems when being depressed. It often enforces the idea that the problem is somehow unsolvable. Not saying outrage doesn't have a place. Just that other means might be more efficient.

BirAdam 2y ago

A bit of a controversial take, but I think the reason that this won’t get solved is the AGW movement. Rather than addressing things like pollution, waste, strip mining, environmental toxicity, and so on the green movement was hijacked to care about a single aspect of environmentalism because rich people could get even richer trading carbon futures.

worldsayshi 2y ago
> movement [X] was hijacked to care about a single aspect of [Y] I think this is a symptom of a larger issue that has nothing to do with environmentalism. Global cultural consciousness is getting more centralized. There isn't as much room on any particular agenda for multiple facets of any one issue when everything is being bottle necked through a much more centralized cultural sphere.

beepbooptheory 2y ago

What is this thing that is both heartbreaking but without any reason for outrage? Like getting rejected from the school dance?