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Brazil's top court says X paid pending fines to wrong bank

42 points by arromatic 2y ago

ivan_gammel 2y ago
But how is this possible? Did they get a scam letter with wrong account number?
- ufo 2y ago
  They wired the money to the Brazilian government, but to the wrong bank account.
  - marcosdumay 2y ago
    That's not really possible. The Brazilian government has only one bank account since the 88's Constitution. It's called "the unique government account". I'm trying to understand that news since today's morning. It makes no sense. Edit: Another comment clarified it. Twitter didn't deposit it on the government account, they created a new account arbitrated by the judge and deposited it there.
- deleted 2y ago
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- meiraleal 2y ago
  It is just the court playing technicalities to delay things. There is an election this Sunday. We don't need Xitter meddling in it.
  - fmobus 2y ago
    No, this is just incompetent lawyers/legal representatives. Every lawyer worth their salt knows how to make a payment to the judiciary correctly, specially when the amount is so high. The judiciary branch receives millions of payments everyday, there is a specific procedure (and it's not even hard) And as for the court "playing technicalities", that's just false. The court literally told the bank to fix it directly (i.e. move the money to the right account). The court is ordinarily under no obligation of being so practical about this kind of stuff. In lower courts it would probably take weeks to fix this mess.
    - meiraleal 2y ago
      That's exactly my point. The court could allow X back in a minute if they wanted or take days to do it. It will take days.
      - fmobus 2y ago
        You clearly never been even close to a Brazilian court. Nothing is ever this fast, because courts are handling literal tons of paper everyday and everything takes time. It took me almost half a year to see a money in a case I won, even though the money was already deposited and no appeals were possible. Twitter is being given special treatment in the most beneficial way possible. Anyway, the whole conspiratorial argument is dumb. Twitter is not really relevant in Brazil, and today's elections are mayoral elections. If you think there's any national-level grandiose political fight happening, you are probably in need of a chair.
        meiraleal 2y ago
        > If you think there's any national-level grandiose political fight happening, you are probably in need of a chair. Looks like you are really engaged into politics, aren't you? So many assumptions. I'm as Brazilian as you, smartass. I'm happy Xitter is out of Brazil and loving to see Alexandre de Moraes playing with Elon Musk.
arromatic 2y ago
Is there any chance for twitter to be saved ?
- LeoPanthera 2y ago
  There is nothing left to save.
  - throw-the-towel 2y ago
    There never was. Twitter was always a cancer, and if Musk does manage to drive it into the ground then he deserves a Nobel Peace Prize for this.
    - ben_w 2y ago
      If it worked for Kissinger, I don't see why not.
    - tbrownaw 2y ago
      It has longposts now, so that's an improvement at least.
      - arromatic 2y ago
        How ? Are long text for a social media that has 24 hour lifetime and exclusive to premium users worth it . I would be nice if it was available for all , since sometimes you need more than 280 character to express your self .
    - always_imposter 2y ago
      >Twitter was always a cancer You know they don't literally mean that right? This joke is seriously getting tired imo. Twitter actually has an established space in discourse and it shapes conversations or used to shape conversations. It has literally helped people get resources during times of crisis, most recent event where twitter helped people real time was during Covid in 2021, here in India. People were exchanging info real time for oxygen cylinders and during this crisis they made a special section for it as well which updated very frequently so people could get help or give help. When our govt didn't do shit, Twitter helped. There are many such examples, Twitter is(was) always at the fore front whenever there was some war/event happening and reporters preferred to post updates on twitter real time instead of their news boards. You might not see value in it, but if it goes away, I doubt that space will be filled easily. Threads is for entertainment. I don't see any of the "threads" on that platform making to mainstream discourse. Let's please stop making this tired argument. Twitter is really important for humanity whether you believe it or not.
3rdworldeng 2y ago
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- rogerrogerr 2y ago
  Every time they open their mouths here, they get told they’re idiots. What do you expect? I personally know one who is going to not look at any replies to this comment, and instead let his Tesla drive him to Costco. At least one comment below will say that’s impossible, but he won’t care.
  - jncfhnb 2y ago
    > What do you expect? Open mouth and consistent inconsistency probably.
  - slfdrv 2y ago
    [dead]
  - threeseed 2y ago
    a) Musk's behaviour is pretty indefensible at this point. He now almost daily posts misinformation, is reckless and indifferent when it comes to fact-checking or verifying sources and always errs on the side of engagement and conflict. b) No one has ever said here that it is impossible for Tesla's FSD to work. That's a fictional situation you've made up. And a ridiculous one considering how many Youtube videos exist. The issue is that it doesn't work reliably and consistently enough for it to be rolled out widespread to every user. Hence why they are under investigation by DOJ and SEC.
    - ineedaj0b 2y ago
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  - andrewaylett 2y ago
    Since the one bite has to my mind missed the mark -- not that you care, of course -- whether or not feel you need pay any attention, legally you're still the driver of the car and it is indeed currently impossible for you to let the Tesla drive you.
seydor 2y ago
The money was wired to the state , not to a bank, so how is it possible they went through if it wasn't a government bank account
- ufo 2y ago
  The money was wired to a government account, but the wrong one.
tjsdg 2y ago
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- threeseed 2y ago
  Rumble wasn't banned in Brazil by this judge or anyone else. They voluntarily left because they refused to comply with orders banning certain accounts. Same as what happened with X. https://x.com/ggreenwald/status/1738311336898027770 https://x.com/ggreenwald/status/1738311336898027770
major505 2y ago
this is not how money transfer works in Brazil, Judicial fines are paid using a GRU (is a type of document that you generate in the goverment IRS site, with the codes that you type in the bank and it transfers the money). If any of the info dosent match, the money is not transfered. IF they paid the wrong account, someone in the goverment fucked up. Source: I was sued by the brazilian govement because my accountant fucked up and had to hirre a layer to negotiate and paied my fees in the course of 10 years.
- major505 2y ago
  It would not be the first time the govermnet fucked up in this case. They sended the judicial notice for Twitter legal representation but someone typed the wrong email address. Since they did not receive the notice, they did not replied, and the Judge made a threat to arrest the legal repsentative, Rachel de Oliveira Villa Nova Conceição. Thats why Elon Musk decided to close the local office, so his employes would not be implied in his decision to not cooperate with the goverment. Alexandre the Moraes pretty much ignored the constitution in every step this proccess. This comment will be downvoted to hell, but reality is reality.
  - meiraleal 2y ago
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- forinti 2y ago
  I'm pretty sure you can make a mistake filling out a GRU. You have to fill in the destination and I bet this is where somebody made a mistake. I'm also sure it will take some time and patience to get it sorted.
- cesarb 2y ago
  > Judicial fines are paid using a GRU According to the official decision from the judge (https://noticias-stf-wp-prd.s3.sa-east-1.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/wpallimport/uploads/2024/10/04191711/Pet-12404-deposito.pdf https://noticias-stf-wp-prd.s3.sa-east-1.amazonaws.com/wp-co...), the value was deposited using a DJE (Documento para Depósitos Judiciais ou Extrajudiciais), not a GRU. The judge ordered the bank to transfer the value to the correct account. (source for the official decision: https://noticias.stf.jus.br/postsnoticias/stf-determina-transferencia-para-conta-correta-de-valores-depositados-pela-rede-social-x/ https://noticias.stf.jus.br/postsnoticias/stf-determina-tran...)
ZeroClickOk 2y ago
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- matheusmoreira 2y ago
  > the candidates that are bound to Social Networks AKA the brazilian right wing. I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case. They are the judges who defeated bolsonarism. In their own words.

42 points by arromatic 2y ago

ivan_gammel 2y ago

But how is this possible? Did they get a scam letter with wrong account number?

ufo 2y ago
They wired the money to the Brazilian government, but to the wrong bank account.
- marcosdumay 2y ago
  That's not really possible. The Brazilian government has only one bank account since the 88's Constitution. It's called "the unique government account". I'm trying to understand that news since today's morning. It makes no sense. Edit: Another comment clarified it. Twitter didn't deposit it on the government account, they created a new account arbitrated by the judge and deposited it there.
deleted 2y ago
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meiraleal 2y ago
It is just the court playing technicalities to delay things. There is an election this Sunday. We don't need Xitter meddling in it.
- fmobus 2y ago
  No, this is just incompetent lawyers/legal representatives. Every lawyer worth their salt knows how to make a payment to the judiciary correctly, specially when the amount is so high. The judiciary branch receives millions of payments everyday, there is a specific procedure (and it's not even hard) And as for the court "playing technicalities", that's just false. The court literally told the bank to fix it directly (i.e. move the money to the right account). The court is ordinarily under no obligation of being so practical about this kind of stuff. In lower courts it would probably take weeks to fix this mess.
  - meiraleal 2y ago
    That's exactly my point. The court could allow X back in a minute if they wanted or take days to do it. It will take days.
    - fmobus 2y ago
      You clearly never been even close to a Brazilian court. Nothing is ever this fast, because courts are handling literal tons of paper everyday and everything takes time. It took me almost half a year to see a money in a case I won, even though the money was already deposited and no appeals were possible. Twitter is being given special treatment in the most beneficial way possible. Anyway, the whole conspiratorial argument is dumb. Twitter is not really relevant in Brazil, and today's elections are mayoral elections. If you think there's any national-level grandiose political fight happening, you are probably in need of a chair.
      - meiraleal 2y ago
        > If you think there's any national-level grandiose political fight happening, you are probably in need of a chair. Looks like you are really engaged into politics, aren't you? So many assumptions. I'm as Brazilian as you, smartass. I'm happy Xitter is out of Brazil and loving to see Alexandre de Moraes playing with Elon Musk.

arromatic 2y ago

Is there any chance for twitter to be saved ?

LeoPanthera 2y ago
There is nothing left to save.
- throw-the-towel 2y ago
  There never was. Twitter was always a cancer, and if Musk does manage to drive it into the ground then he deserves a Nobel Peace Prize for this.
  - ben_w 2y ago
    If it worked for Kissinger, I don't see why not.
  - tbrownaw 2y ago
    It has longposts now, so that's an improvement at least.
    - arromatic 2y ago
      How ? Are long text for a social media that has 24 hour lifetime and exclusive to premium users worth it . I would be nice if it was available for all , since sometimes you need more than 280 character to express your self .
  - always_imposter 2y ago
    >Twitter was always a cancer You know they don't literally mean that right? This joke is seriously getting tired imo. Twitter actually has an established space in discourse and it shapes conversations or used to shape conversations. It has literally helped people get resources during times of crisis, most recent event where twitter helped people real time was during Covid in 2021, here in India. People were exchanging info real time for oxygen cylinders and during this crisis they made a special section for it as well which updated very frequently so people could get help or give help. When our govt didn't do shit, Twitter helped. There are many such examples, Twitter is(was) always at the fore front whenever there was some war/event happening and reporters preferred to post updates on twitter real time instead of their news boards. You might not see value in it, but if it goes away, I doubt that space will be filled easily. Threads is for entertainment. I don't see any of the "threads" on that platform making to mainstream discourse. Let's please stop making this tired argument. Twitter is really important for humanity whether you believe it or not.

3rdworldeng 2y ago

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rogerrogerr 2y ago
Every time they open their mouths here, they get told they’re idiots. What do you expect? I personally know one who is going to not look at any replies to this comment, and instead let his Tesla drive him to Costco. At least one comment below will say that’s impossible, but he won’t care.
- jncfhnb 2y ago
  > What do you expect? Open mouth and consistent inconsistency probably.
- slfdrv 2y ago
  [dead]
- threeseed 2y ago
  a) Musk's behaviour is pretty indefensible at this point. He now almost daily posts misinformation, is reckless and indifferent when it comes to fact-checking or verifying sources and always errs on the side of engagement and conflict. b) No one has ever said here that it is impossible for Tesla's FSD to work. That's a fictional situation you've made up. And a ridiculous one considering how many Youtube videos exist. The issue is that it doesn't work reliably and consistently enough for it to be rolled out widespread to every user. Hence why they are under investigation by DOJ and SEC.
  - ineedaj0b 2y ago
    [flagged]
- andrewaylett 2y ago
  Since the one bite has to my mind missed the mark -- not that you care, of course -- whether or not feel you need pay any attention, legally you're still the driver of the car and it is indeed currently impossible for you to let the Tesla drive you.

seydor 2y ago

The money was wired to the state , not to a bank, so how is it possible they went through if it wasn't a government bank account

ufo 2y ago
The money was wired to a government account, but the wrong one.

tjsdg 2y ago

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threeseed 2y ago
Rumble wasn't banned in Brazil by this judge or anyone else. They voluntarily left because they refused to comply with orders banning certain accounts. Same as what happened with X. https://x.com/ggreenwald/status/1738311336898027770 https://x.com/ggreenwald/status/1738311336898027770

major505 2y ago

this is not how money transfer works in Brazil, Judicial fines are paid using a GRU (is a type of document that you generate in the goverment IRS site, with the codes that you type in the bank and it transfers the money). If any of the info dosent match, the money is not transfered. IF they paid the wrong account, someone in the goverment fucked up. Source: I was sued by the brazilian govement because my accountant fucked up and had to hirre a layer to negotiate and paied my fees in the course of 10 years.

major505 2y ago
It would not be the first time the govermnet fucked up in this case. They sended the judicial notice for Twitter legal representation but someone typed the wrong email address. Since they did not receive the notice, they did not replied, and the Judge made a threat to arrest the legal repsentative, Rachel de Oliveira Villa Nova Conceição. Thats why Elon Musk decided to close the local office, so his employes would not be implied in his decision to not cooperate with the goverment. Alexandre the Moraes pretty much ignored the constitution in every step this proccess. This comment will be downvoted to hell, but reality is reality.
- meiraleal 2y ago
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forinti 2y ago
I'm pretty sure you can make a mistake filling out a GRU. You have to fill in the destination and I bet this is where somebody made a mistake. I'm also sure it will take some time and patience to get it sorted.
cesarb 2y ago
> Judicial fines are paid using a GRU According to the official decision from the judge (https://noticias-stf-wp-prd.s3.sa-east-1.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/wpallimport/uploads/2024/10/04191711/Pet-12404-deposito.pdf https://noticias-stf-wp-prd.s3.sa-east-1.amazonaws.com/wp-co...), the value was deposited using a DJE (Documento para Depósitos Judiciais ou Extrajudiciais), not a GRU. The judge ordered the bank to transfer the value to the correct account. (source for the official decision: https://noticias.stf.jus.br/postsnoticias/stf-determina-transferencia-para-conta-correta-de-valores-depositados-pela-rede-social-x/ https://noticias.stf.jus.br/postsnoticias/stf-determina-tran...)

ZeroClickOk 2y ago

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matheusmoreira 2y ago
> the candidates that are bound to Social Networks AKA the brazilian right wing. I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case. They are the judges who defeated bolsonarism. In their own words.