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The issue I continue to have with many AI coding tools is they want me to use their own editor ("native", aka VSCode fork, or in the browser like this). I have

The issue I continue to have with many AI coding tools is they want me to use their own editor ("native", aka VSCode fork, or in the browser like this). I have zero intention of moving away from IDEA and nothing I've seen so far is good enough to make me want to switch. I really with there was more of "bringing AI into your existing tools/workflows" instead of "here is a new tool with AI baked in".

benreesman 2y ago
The icky demo of how much worse /r/LinkedinLunatics is going to get aside: is this the front foot of a globe-spanning, cutting edge research lab at the very efficient frontier of human and machine intelligence? Or is it yet another lame distraction effort around the abject and embarrassing failure to ship GPT-5? These people are pretty shameless in ways that range from “exceedingly poor taste” to “interstate wire fraud” depending on your affiliation, but people who ship era-defining models after all the stars bounced they are not.
yunohn 2y ago
The primary issue is that IDEA and other editors don’t allow the level of flexibility and customizability needed to make new experiences, unlike VSCode. Whether new solutions need to fork it or not is a different question. For example, Cursor absolutely has made significant changes for user benefit that stock VSCode with Copilot doesn’t have.
- lemming 2y ago
  I’m a professional IntelliJ plugin developer, this is absolutely not true. IntelliJ is incredibly customisable, and you can always code raw swing to achieve whatever you want if there’s something that the base platform doesn’t provide.
  - yunohn 2y ago
    Appreciate the added perspective, I wasn’t aware. But from my usage of IDEA’s product, I’ve yet to find an extension that makes any major changes to the UI/UX? I see them way more often in the VSCode community. In fact, I find the IDEA plugin system incredibly limited overall. Why do you think that’s the case? Or maybe I’ve been in a bubble and you can point to some interesting ones that I’ve maybe missed?
    - lemming 2y ago
      More than it not being possible, it's not regarded as desirable - IntelliJ users greatly value consistency. The fact that the experience is consistent across different languages is one of the things I like best about IntelliJ. Can you give me an idea of the sort of thing that you'd like to see that you haven't seen? Here's an example of something I recently added (an inline inspector), that my main competitor (VS Code) said wasn't possible with the VS Code APIs: https://cursive-ide.com/blog/cursive-1.14.0-eap1.html https://cursive-ide.com/blog/cursive-1.14.0-eap1.html. I have another major feature that I don't have good online doc for, which is also not possible with the VS Code API (parinfer, a Clojure editing mode). This gives you an idea of what it looks like, but this is old and my implementation doesn't work much like this any more: https://shaunlebron.github.io/parinfer https://shaunlebron.github.io/parinfer.
amelius 2y ago
The main issue I have is that I have to share my code. My employer won't allow it (they don't even allow us to use gmail).
- underlines 2y ago
  You either do local inference or get Azure OpenAI to have your own private gpt-4o or whatever. :)
smrtinsert 2y ago
A million times this. I have 0 interest in this product.
machiaweliczny 2y ago
Just use aider - it’s CLI and open source. You can open terminal in IDE and you just use /add file for context then /drop to clean context. Better than Copilot and just less worse UX than Cursor (which has benefit of knowing which page you have open). There’s also Claude engineer but not tested it yet. Forgot to mention killer feature - droping links to docs automatically fetches them in aider which helps with grounding for specific tasks
- rsp1984 2y ago
  Look, I'm just not interested in something that gives me code on the CLI. This is no better or worse than using ChatGPT / Canvas or any other external tool. My project has well over half a million lines of code. I'm using an IDE (in my case Qt Creator) for a reason. I'd love to get help from an LLM but CLI or external browser windows just aren't the way. The overhead of copy/paste and lack of context is a deal breaker unfortunately. In case I'm missing something, please let me know. I'm always happy to learn.
  - nuancebydefault 2y ago
    As i understand things you... - want to use your particular ide which does not have the llm plugin. - don't want to use any of several ide's that support several llm's using a picker. - don't want to use copy/paste to a web browser or other tool - don't want to use 2 ide's at the same time if 1 of them is not your favorite I would settle for the 3rd or 4th option, both work very well for me.
  - JackC 2y ago
    What I'm trying right now is two IDEs -- PyCharm for navigating around and static analysis stuff, Cursor for "how do I do this" or "please do this for me." Cursor (VSCode?) lets you choose Jetbrains keyboard shortcuts during setup and is relatively resource light so it's not too bad.
  - Novosell 2y ago
    I'd never heard of Qt creator before so I checked it out and their whole front page seems to focus on ai integration?
Timber-6539 2y ago
Open source fixes this problem. This is basically Llama's moat.
d4rkp4ttern 2y ago
Zed lets you set it up trivially with jetbrains key maps. It doesn’t have a debugger and rough around the edges but I like that most of my Jetbrains shortcuts continue to work with zed.
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KronisLV 2y ago
> I have zero intention of moving away from IDEA and nothing I've seen so far is good enough to make me want to switch. I really with there was more of "bringing AI into your existing tools/workflows" instead of "here is a new tool with AI baked in". For this, either GitHub Copilot or their own AI plugin seem to work nicely. It's kind of unfortunate because creating new plugins for the JetBrains IDEs has a learning curve: https://plugins.jetbrains.com/docs/intellij/developing-plugins.html https://plugins.jetbrains.com/docs/intellij/developing-plugi... Because of this, and the fact that every additional IDE/tool you have to support also means similar development work, most companies out there will probably lean in the direction of either a web based UI, a CLI, or their own spin of VS Code or something similar.
hprotagonist 2y ago
they're out there; https://github.com/s-kostyaev/ellama/blob/main/ellama.el https://github.com/s-kostyaev/ellama/blob/main/ellama.el for example.
- johanvts 2y ago
  Nice, there is also gptel https://github.com/karthink/gptel https://github.com/karthink/gptel
  - hprotagonist 2y ago
    both good authors, too.
- mfld 2y ago
  Anyone aware of one supporting suggestions? I.e. the possibility to accept/decline LLM-suggested changes point by point?
mtam 2y ago
Have you considered this one: https://github.com/continuedev/continue https://github.com/continuedev/continue
- joshstrange 2y ago
  I tried it a while back and had a lot of trouble getting it to work, it's on my list to try again. I also tried Sourcegraph's Cody and just constant errors even after paying for the Pro plan so now I'm back on Copilot.
  - kc_sourcegraph 2y ago
    Hey, product manager from sourcegraph here. Sorry to hear you got errors. What were the errors, and where were you using Cody (VS Code, Web, or JetBrains)?
    - joshstrange 2y ago
      JetBrains IDEA. Here is at least one of the errors I got: https://github.com/sourcegraph/jetbrains/issues/1306 https://github.com/sourcegraph/jetbrains/issues/1306
      - kc_sourcegraph 2y ago
        Gotcha. Our JetBrains IDE has improved a lot since then, we've been focusing a ton on making performance better. If you could, would love to get you trying Cody again! I can even throw in 1 month free for you, I think I see your customer profile in Stripe :)
  - phist_mcgee 2y ago
    Tried to setup it up with intellij. Absolutely infuriating experience trying to get it to connect to a model. No error messages or info. Really wouldn't recommend this in its current state.
- constantlm 2y ago
TiredOfLife 2y ago
Jetbrains have their own AI. There is also https://codeium.com/jetbrains_tutorial https://codeium.com/jetbrains_tutorial I have been using the free tier of it for half a year, and quite like it. Supermaven has https://plugins.jetbrains.com/plugin/23893-supermaven https://plugins.jetbrains.com/plugin/23893-supermaven also good free tier. (Although they recently got investment to make their own editor.)
- screature2 2y ago
  Really? Jetbrains has their own AI? Their terms seem to indicate that they use 3rd party models. https://www.jetbrains.com/legal/docs/terms/jetbrains-ai/service-providers/ https://www.jetbrains.com/legal/docs/terms/jetbrains-ai/serv...
  - wokwokwok 2y ago
    > Full Line code completion runs entirely on your local device without sending any code over the internet. (1) They are executed locally, and you can find the local model files if you look hard enough (2). (AI Assistant is different, costs extra and runs over the network; but you dont have to use it) [1] - https://www.jetbrains.com/help/idea/full-line-code-completion.html https://www.jetbrains.com/help/idea/full-line-code-completio... [2] - https://gist.github.com/WarningImHack3r/2a38bb66d69fb5e7acd85a8d20de19e6 https://gist.github.com/WarningImHack3r/2a38bb66d69fb5e7acd8...
    - Semaphor 2y ago
      I tried a bunch of things, and their local line-completion is so far the only AI that didn’t quickly annoy me enough to turn it off again.
      - t0b1 2y ago
        One thing I noticed though is that when autocompleting C++ statements like if or while it will add only the opening curly braces which is a bit annoying but makes sense. But it also sometimes adds them @_@
bagels 2y ago
Even if you use vscode, they want you to use a vscode fork... Why not just make a vscode plugin?
- icelancer 2y ago
  Continue.dev's plugin is as close as it gets for Cursor, but there are clearly limitations to a VSCode plugin when it comes to the inline editing and code search/replace - made a comment above about it.
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wseqyrku 2y ago
Only if you could commit the changes in the browser and pull locally?
- mark_l_watson 2y ago
  Replit with AI support is web based and has GitHub integration.
grbsh 2y ago
I feel the exact same! I built this tool to make it much easier for me to bring LLMs into existing workflows: https://github.com/gr-b/repogather https://github.com/gr-b/repogather It helps find relevant content to copy to your clipboard (or just copies all files in the repo, with exclusions like gitignore attended to) so you can paste everything into Claude. With the large context sizes, I’ve found that I get way better answers / code edits by dumping as much context as possible (and just starting a new chat with each question). It’s funny, Anthropic is surely losing money on me from this, and I use gpt-mini via api to compute the relevancy ratings, so OpenAI is making money off me, despite having (in my opinion) an inferior coding LLM / UI.
- pjot 2y ago
  I’ve done something similar, but with a TUI to select files/directories as well as search! https://github.com/patricktrainer/pbtree https://github.com/patricktrainer/pbtree
- starfezzy 2y ago
  I do something similar with a script. Don’t know if anything about my approach could improve yours, but I’m also curious if you have any suggestions? - Mine prepends the result with the output of running `tree -I node_modules --noreport` before any other content. This informs the LLM of the structure of the project, which leads to other insights like it will know which frameworks and paradigms your project uses without you needing to explain that stuff. - Mine prepends the contents of each included file with “Contents of relative/path/to/file/from/root/of/project/filename.ts:” to reinforce the context and the file’s position in the tree.
ipsod 2y ago
Tabnine has an IDEA plugin. It's not quite as good as Cursor, in my opinion, but it's better to have Tabnine and IDEA than Cursor and VSCode. It started out as just predictive text, but now it has a chatbot window that you can access GPT, Claude, etc. from, as well as their own model which has better assurances about code privacy.
jdiez17 2y ago
I have started using Claude Dev (an extension for VSCode - https://github.com/saoudrizwan/claude-dev https://github.com/saoudrizwan/claude-dev), and so far my impression has been very positive. It’s a full blown code agent that looks for relevant files in the code base, can ask you to run commands and modify files etc. You use your own Anthropic API key or self hosted model.
- knowaveragejoe 2y ago
  Claude Dev does have a really nice UI nailed down. I was not aware that you could run local models yourself with it, which would be a great feature but kind of obviates the name.
- j45 2y ago
  Sounds a little like aider.chat
  - jdiez17 2y ago
    It is quite similar but I found aider a bit clunky to use in that it creates a new commit with a huge message being the whole conversation and context. Which can be a good thing of course, but for most things I'd rather accumulate changes until a feature is finished, then I commit.
    - dannyobrien 2y ago
      I think the default is not to do this anymore (at least the whole convo and chat aren't in the commit). It is strangely scary to have it commit on every change, even if that's probably objectively the right thing for it to do (so you can roll back, so that commits are atomic, etc, etc).
    - rorytbyrne 2y ago
      Just work on a branch and squash.
    - j45 2y ago
      I remember that... but I think it's changed now. Aider remains to me one of the places where innovation happens and it seems to end up in other places. Their new feature to architect with o1 and then code with sonnet is pretty trippy. Only can run so many IDEs at a time though.
jdgoesmarching 2y ago
Likely because ~70% of OpenAI’s revenue comes from ChatGPT Plus/Teams/Enterprise. Model access is just not as profitable, so slapping on features to encourage upgrades is their best path forward. It’s not great: https://www.wheresyoured.at/oai-business/ https://www.wheresyoured.at/oai-business/
nonethewiser 2y ago
I mean… thats just what an IDE is. Integrated. Existing IDEs can integrate models via plugins or they can build new IDEs with first party support.
Bnjoroge 2y ago
The problem is that tacking on to an existing product, while the ideal approach, limits just how creative you can get. I believe this is one of the reasons Cursor had to fork VSCode. Simply being an extension limited the features they could build.
- joshstrange 2y ago
  I completely get this and I don’t have a good answer to the issue. I almost wish I liked VSCode since almost all AI editors are forks of that (not sure what the extension compatibility story is), but prefer IDEA.
  - noch 2y ago
    > but prefer IDEA. IDEA has "AI Assistant"[^0]. Is it not usable for you (I might have missed your comment mentioning it)? [^0]: https://www.jetbrains.com/help/idea/ai-assistant.html https://www.jetbrains.com/help/idea/ai-assistant.html
  - NitpickLawyer 2y ago
    > (not sure what the extension compatibility story is) So far I've had all the vscode extensions just work in cursor (including devcontainers, docker, etc.) I hope it continues like this, as breaking extensions is something that would take away from the usefulness of cursor.
  - yas_hmaheshwari 2y ago
    I am also using intelliJ, but have started tinkering with Cursor My hunch says that IDEA should be worried a lot. If I am on the edge evaluating other tools because of AI assisted programming, lot of others would be doing that too
- ford 2y ago
  The other problem is IDEs are incentivized to build their own AI coding tools instead of letting other people plug in
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fortenforge 2y ago
Codeium has extensions for all the major IDEs, including IDEA. https://plugins.jetbrains.com/plugin/20540-codeium-ai-autocomplete-and-chat-for-python-js-java-go-- https://plugins.jetbrains.com/plugin/20540-codeium-ai-autoco...
faangguyindia 2y ago
The best way I've found are aider and Zed editor's ai integration is crazy good. (It lets u delete AI response unlike Cursor AI) Zed is lightening fast. Wish it had more features.
campers 2y ago
I mainly use CLI tools for AI assistance. I'll use Continue when a chat is all I want to generate some code/script to copy paste in. When I need to prepare a bigger input I'll use the CLI tool in Sophia (sophia.dev) to generate the response. I use Aider sometimes, less so lately, although it has caught up with some features in Sophia (which builds on top of Aider), being able to compile, and lint, and separating design from the implementation LLM call. With Aider you have to manually add/drop files from the context, which is good for having precise control over which files are included. I use the code agent in Sophia to build itself a fair bit. It has its own file selection agent, and also a review agent which helps a lot with fixing issues on the initial generated changes.
Terretta 2y ago
> AI coding tools want me to use their own editor Instead of putting the AI in your IDEA, put it in your git repo: https://aider.chat/ https://aider.chat/
- anonzzzies 2y ago
  And copilot workspace for people using github.
sureglymop 2y ago
So, I think that with the agent frameworks that exist now, that wouldn't be very hard to realize. What's needed though would be a full API for the editor that can be tapped into. Ironically, for creating that, these new age code editor startups would probably have more luck with neovim and it's extensive lua API rather than with vs code. (Of course, the idea with using a vs code fork is about capturing the market share it has).
lemming 2y ago
I am actually building something along these lines, IntelliJ native rather than a second class VS Code follow along. Is this something you (or your company) would pay for? Say $50/year for the plugin and you bring your own API keys?
- throw03172019 2y ago
  I would.
mooktakim 2y ago
This is not an issue. Technology moves forward. You don't adapt, you fall behind. There were other editors and IDE's before the one you use. New devs will use it. Anyway, I don't use them either. I prefer to use ChatGPT and Claude directly.
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- saagarjha 2y ago
  My coworkers do just fine with vim.
  - mooktakim 2y ago
    "past performance is not indicative of future results"
    - stefankorun 2y ago
      Is it not though? It's not a guarantee but definitely an indication.
      - mooktakim 2y ago
        Not really. Only thing you can guarantee is things change.
        NeoTar 2y ago
        Let’s just throw away all past experience then? It’s a mistake to assume that there will be 100% correlation between the past and future, but it’s probably as bad of a mistake to assume 0% correlation. (Obviously dependant on exactly what you are looking at).
        chiefalchemist 2y ago

benreesman 2y ago

The icky demo of how much worse /r/LinkedinLunatics is going to get aside: is this the front foot of a globe-spanning, cutting edge research lab at the very efficient frontier of human and machine intelligence? Or is it yet another lame distraction effort around the abject and embarrassing failure to ship GPT-5? These people are pretty shameless in ways that range from “exceedingly poor taste” to “interstate wire fraud” depending on your affiliation, but people who ship era-defining models after all the stars bounced they are not.

yunohn 2y ago

The primary issue is that IDEA and other editors don’t allow the level of flexibility and customizability needed to make new experiences, unlike VSCode. Whether new solutions need to fork it or not is a different question. For example, Cursor absolutely has made significant changes for user benefit that stock VSCode with Copilot doesn’t have.

lemming 2y ago
I’m a professional IntelliJ plugin developer, this is absolutely not true. IntelliJ is incredibly customisable, and you can always code raw swing to achieve whatever you want if there’s something that the base platform doesn’t provide.
- yunohn 2y ago
  Appreciate the added perspective, I wasn’t aware. But from my usage of IDEA’s product, I’ve yet to find an extension that makes any major changes to the UI/UX? I see them way more often in the VSCode community. In fact, I find the IDEA plugin system incredibly limited overall. Why do you think that’s the case? Or maybe I’ve been in a bubble and you can point to some interesting ones that I’ve maybe missed?
  - lemming 2y ago
    More than it not being possible, it's not regarded as desirable - IntelliJ users greatly value consistency. The fact that the experience is consistent across different languages is one of the things I like best about IntelliJ. Can you give me an idea of the sort of thing that you'd like to see that you haven't seen? Here's an example of something I recently added (an inline inspector), that my main competitor (VS Code) said wasn't possible with the VS Code APIs: https://cursive-ide.com/blog/cursive-1.14.0-eap1.html https://cursive-ide.com/blog/cursive-1.14.0-eap1.html. I have another major feature that I don't have good online doc for, which is also not possible with the VS Code API (parinfer, a Clojure editing mode). This gives you an idea of what it looks like, but this is old and my implementation doesn't work much like this any more: https://shaunlebron.github.io/parinfer https://shaunlebron.github.io/parinfer.

amelius 2y ago

The main issue I have is that I have to share my code. My employer won't allow it (they don't even allow us to use gmail).

underlines 2y ago
You either do local inference or get Azure OpenAI to have your own private gpt-4o or whatever. :)

smrtinsert 2y ago

A million times this. I have 0 interest in this product.

machiaweliczny 2y ago

Just use aider - it’s CLI and open source. You can open terminal in IDE and you just use /add file for context then /drop to clean context. Better than Copilot and just less worse UX than Cursor (which has benefit of knowing which page you have open). There’s also Claude engineer but not tested it yet. Forgot to mention killer feature - droping links to docs automatically fetches them in aider which helps with grounding for specific tasks

rsp1984 2y ago
Look, I'm just not interested in something that gives me code on the CLI. This is no better or worse than using ChatGPT / Canvas or any other external tool. My project has well over half a million lines of code. I'm using an IDE (in my case Qt Creator) for a reason. I'd love to get help from an LLM but CLI or external browser windows just aren't the way. The overhead of copy/paste and lack of context is a deal breaker unfortunately. In case I'm missing something, please let me know. I'm always happy to learn.
- nuancebydefault 2y ago
  As i understand things you... - want to use your particular ide which does not have the llm plugin. - don't want to use any of several ide's that support several llm's using a picker. - don't want to use copy/paste to a web browser or other tool - don't want to use 2 ide's at the same time if 1 of them is not your favorite I would settle for the 3rd or 4th option, both work very well for me.
- JackC 2y ago
  What I'm trying right now is two IDEs -- PyCharm for navigating around and static analysis stuff, Cursor for "how do I do this" or "please do this for me." Cursor (VSCode?) lets you choose Jetbrains keyboard shortcuts during setup and is relatively resource light so it's not too bad.
- Novosell 2y ago
  I'd never heard of Qt creator before so I checked it out and their whole front page seems to focus on ai integration?

Timber-6539 2y ago

Open source fixes this problem. This is basically Llama's moat.

d4rkp4ttern 2y ago

Zed lets you set it up trivially with jetbrains key maps. It doesn’t have a debugger and rough around the edges but I like that most of my Jetbrains shortcuts continue to work with zed.

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KronisLV 2y ago

> I have zero intention of moving away from IDEA and nothing I've seen so far is good enough to make me want to switch. I really with there was more of "bringing AI into your existing tools/workflows" instead of "here is a new tool with AI baked in". For this, either GitHub Copilot or their own AI plugin seem to work nicely. It's kind of unfortunate because creating new plugins for the JetBrains IDEs has a learning curve: https://plugins.jetbrains.com/docs/intellij/developing-plugins.html https://plugins.jetbrains.com/docs/intellij/developing-plugi... Because of this, and the fact that every additional IDE/tool you have to support also means similar development work, most companies out there will probably lean in the direction of either a web based UI, a CLI, or their own spin of VS Code or something similar.

hprotagonist 2y ago

they're out there; https://github.com/s-kostyaev/ellama/blob/main/ellama.el https://github.com/s-kostyaev/ellama/blob/main/ellama.el for example.

johanvts 2y ago
Nice, there is also gptel https://github.com/karthink/gptel https://github.com/karthink/gptel
- hprotagonist 2y ago
  both good authors, too.
mfld 2y ago
Anyone aware of one supporting suggestions? I.e. the possibility to accept/decline LLM-suggested changes point by point?

mtam 2y ago

Have you considered this one: https://github.com/continuedev/continue https://github.com/continuedev/continue

joshstrange 2y ago
I tried it a while back and had a lot of trouble getting it to work, it's on my list to try again. I also tried Sourcegraph's Cody and just constant errors even after paying for the Pro plan so now I'm back on Copilot.
- kc_sourcegraph 2y ago
  Hey, product manager from sourcegraph here. Sorry to hear you got errors. What were the errors, and where were you using Cody (VS Code, Web, or JetBrains)?
  - joshstrange 2y ago
    JetBrains IDEA. Here is at least one of the errors I got: https://github.com/sourcegraph/jetbrains/issues/1306 https://github.com/sourcegraph/jetbrains/issues/1306
    - kc_sourcegraph 2y ago
      Gotcha. Our JetBrains IDE has improved a lot since then, we've been focusing a ton on making performance better. If you could, would love to get you trying Cody again! I can even throw in 1 month free for you, I think I see your customer profile in Stripe :)
- phist_mcgee 2y ago
  Tried to setup it up with intellij. Absolutely infuriating experience trying to get it to connect to a model. No error messages or info. Really wouldn't recommend this in its current state.
constantlm 2y ago

TiredOfLife 2y ago

Jetbrains have their own AI. There is also https://codeium.com/jetbrains_tutorial https://codeium.com/jetbrains_tutorial I have been using the free tier of it for half a year, and quite like it. Supermaven has https://plugins.jetbrains.com/plugin/23893-supermaven https://plugins.jetbrains.com/plugin/23893-supermaven also good free tier. (Although they recently got investment to make their own editor.)

screature2 2y ago
Really? Jetbrains has their own AI? Their terms seem to indicate that they use 3rd party models. https://www.jetbrains.com/legal/docs/terms/jetbrains-ai/service-providers/ https://www.jetbrains.com/legal/docs/terms/jetbrains-ai/serv...
- wokwokwok 2y ago
  > Full Line code completion runs entirely on your local device without sending any code over the internet. (1) They are executed locally, and you can find the local model files if you look hard enough (2). (AI Assistant is different, costs extra and runs over the network; but you dont have to use it) [1] - https://www.jetbrains.com/help/idea/full-line-code-completion.html https://www.jetbrains.com/help/idea/full-line-code-completio... [2] - https://gist.github.com/WarningImHack3r/2a38bb66d69fb5e7acd85a8d20de19e6 https://gist.github.com/WarningImHack3r/2a38bb66d69fb5e7acd8...
  - Semaphor 2y ago
    I tried a bunch of things, and their local line-completion is so far the only AI that didn’t quickly annoy me enough to turn it off again.
    - t0b1 2y ago
      One thing I noticed though is that when autocompleting C++ statements like if or while it will add only the opening curly braces which is a bit annoying but makes sense. But it also sometimes adds them @_@

bagels 2y ago

Even if you use vscode, they want you to use a vscode fork... Why not just make a vscode plugin?

icelancer 2y ago
Continue.dev's plugin is as close as it gets for Cursor, but there are clearly limitations to a VSCode plugin when it comes to the inline editing and code search/replace - made a comment above about it.

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wseqyrku 2y ago

Only if you could commit the changes in the browser and pull locally?

mark_l_watson 2y ago
Replit with AI support is web based and has GitHub integration.

grbsh 2y ago

I feel the exact same! I built this tool to make it much easier for me to bring LLMs into existing workflows: https://github.com/gr-b/repogather https://github.com/gr-b/repogather It helps find relevant content to copy to your clipboard (or just copies all files in the repo, with exclusions like gitignore attended to) so you can paste everything into Claude. With the large context sizes, I’ve found that I get way better answers / code edits by dumping as much context as possible (and just starting a new chat with each question). It’s funny, Anthropic is surely losing money on me from this, and I use gpt-mini via api to compute the relevancy ratings, so OpenAI is making money off me, despite having (in my opinion) an inferior coding LLM / UI.

pjot 2y ago
I’ve done something similar, but with a TUI to select files/directories as well as search! https://github.com/patricktrainer/pbtree https://github.com/patricktrainer/pbtree
starfezzy 2y ago
I do something similar with a script. Don’t know if anything about my approach could improve yours, but I’m also curious if you have any suggestions? - Mine prepends the result with the output of running `tree -I node_modules --noreport` before any other content. This informs the LLM of the structure of the project, which leads to other insights like it will know which frameworks and paradigms your project uses without you needing to explain that stuff. - Mine prepends the contents of each included file with “Contents of relative/path/to/file/from/root/of/project/filename.ts:” to reinforce the context and the file’s position in the tree.

ipsod 2y ago

Tabnine has an IDEA plugin. It's not quite as good as Cursor, in my opinion, but it's better to have Tabnine and IDEA than Cursor and VSCode. It started out as just predictive text, but now it has a chatbot window that you can access GPT, Claude, etc. from, as well as their own model which has better assurances about code privacy.

jdiez17 2y ago

I have started using Claude Dev (an extension for VSCode - https://github.com/saoudrizwan/claude-dev https://github.com/saoudrizwan/claude-dev), and so far my impression has been very positive. It’s a full blown code agent that looks for relevant files in the code base, can ask you to run commands and modify files etc. You use your own Anthropic API key or self hosted model.

knowaveragejoe 2y ago
Claude Dev does have a really nice UI nailed down. I was not aware that you could run local models yourself with it, which would be a great feature but kind of obviates the name.
j45 2y ago
Sounds a little like aider.chat
- jdiez17 2y ago
  It is quite similar but I found aider a bit clunky to use in that it creates a new commit with a huge message being the whole conversation and context. Which can be a good thing of course, but for most things I'd rather accumulate changes until a feature is finished, then I commit.
  - dannyobrien 2y ago
    I think the default is not to do this anymore (at least the whole convo and chat aren't in the commit). It is strangely scary to have it commit on every change, even if that's probably objectively the right thing for it to do (so you can roll back, so that commits are atomic, etc, etc).
  - rorytbyrne 2y ago
    Just work on a branch and squash.
  - j45 2y ago
    I remember that... but I think it's changed now. Aider remains to me one of the places where innovation happens and it seems to end up in other places. Their new feature to architect with o1 and then code with sonnet is pretty trippy. Only can run so many IDEs at a time though.

jdgoesmarching 2y ago

Likely because ~70% of OpenAI’s revenue comes from ChatGPT Plus/Teams/Enterprise. Model access is just not as profitable, so slapping on features to encourage upgrades is their best path forward. It’s not great: https://www.wheresyoured.at/oai-business/ https://www.wheresyoured.at/oai-business/

nonethewiser 2y ago

I mean… thats just what an IDE is. Integrated. Existing IDEs can integrate models via plugins or they can build new IDEs with first party support.

Bnjoroge 2y ago

The problem is that tacking on to an existing product, while the ideal approach, limits just how creative you can get. I believe this is one of the reasons Cursor had to fork VSCode. Simply being an extension limited the features they could build.

joshstrange 2y ago
I completely get this and I don’t have a good answer to the issue. I almost wish I liked VSCode since almost all AI editors are forks of that (not sure what the extension compatibility story is), but prefer IDEA.
- noch 2y ago
  > but prefer IDEA. IDEA has "AI Assistant"[^0]. Is it not usable for you (I might have missed your comment mentioning it)? [^0]: https://www.jetbrains.com/help/idea/ai-assistant.html https://www.jetbrains.com/help/idea/ai-assistant.html
- NitpickLawyer 2y ago
  > (not sure what the extension compatibility story is) So far I've had all the vscode extensions just work in cursor (including devcontainers, docker, etc.) I hope it continues like this, as breaking extensions is something that would take away from the usefulness of cursor.
- yas_hmaheshwari 2y ago
  I am also using intelliJ, but have started tinkering with Cursor My hunch says that IDEA should be worried a lot. If I am on the edge evaluating other tools because of AI assisted programming, lot of others would be doing that too
ford 2y ago
The other problem is IDEs are incentivized to build their own AI coding tools instead of letting other people plug in
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fortenforge 2y ago

Codeium has extensions for all the major IDEs, including IDEA. https://plugins.jetbrains.com/plugin/20540-codeium-ai-autocomplete-and-chat-for-python-js-java-go-- https://plugins.jetbrains.com/plugin/20540-codeium-ai-autoco...

faangguyindia 2y ago

The best way I've found are aider and Zed editor's ai integration is crazy good. (It lets u delete AI response unlike Cursor AI) Zed is lightening fast. Wish it had more features.

campers 2y ago

I mainly use CLI tools for AI assistance. I'll use Continue when a chat is all I want to generate some code/script to copy paste in. When I need to prepare a bigger input I'll use the CLI tool in Sophia (sophia.dev) to generate the response. I use Aider sometimes, less so lately, although it has caught up with some features in Sophia (which builds on top of Aider), being able to compile, and lint, and separating design from the implementation LLM call. With Aider you have to manually add/drop files from the context, which is good for having precise control over which files are included. I use the code agent in Sophia to build itself a fair bit. It has its own file selection agent, and also a review agent which helps a lot with fixing issues on the initial generated changes.

Terretta 2y ago

> AI coding tools want me to use their own editor Instead of putting the AI in your IDEA, put it in your git repo: https://aider.chat/ https://aider.chat/

anonzzzies 2y ago
And copilot workspace for people using github.

sureglymop 2y ago

So, I think that with the agent frameworks that exist now, that wouldn't be very hard to realize. What's needed though would be a full API for the editor that can be tapped into. Ironically, for creating that, these new age code editor startups would probably have more luck with neovim and it's extensive lua API rather than with vs code. (Of course, the idea with using a vs code fork is about capturing the market share it has).

lemming 2y ago

I am actually building something along these lines, IntelliJ native rather than a second class VS Code follow along. Is this something you (or your company) would pay for? Say $50/year for the plugin and you bring your own API keys?

throw03172019 2y ago
I would.

mooktakim 2y ago

This is not an issue. Technology moves forward. You don't adapt, you fall behind. There were other editors and IDE's before the one you use. New devs will use it. Anyway, I don't use them either. I prefer to use ChatGPT and Claude directly.

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saagarjha 2y ago
My coworkers do just fine with vim.
- mooktakim 2y ago
  "past performance is not indicative of future results"
  - stefankorun 2y ago
    Is it not though? It's not a guarantee but definitely an indication.
    - mooktakim 2y ago
      Not really. Only thing you can guarantee is things change.
      - NeoTar 2y ago
        Let’s just throw away all past experience then? It’s a mistake to assume that there will be 100% correlation between the past and future, but it’s probably as bad of a mistake to assume 0% correlation. (Obviously dependant on exactly what you are looking at).
        chiefalchemist 2y ago