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for the moment. my guess is that in the next 12/18 month all of major tech & big corps will follow the amazon's way.

sneed_chucker 2y ago
Maybe, maybe not. Amazon has always been the most employee-hostile of the big tech companies. Google and especially FB/Meta have historically poached a lot of engineers away from them just by being more competitive with comp and benefits.
christhecaribou 2y ago
These folks literally just saw what Amazon did and did the opposite.
- behringer 2y ago
  They just want Amazon talent. Then they'll turn up the heat.
  - Hamuko 2y ago
    You mean the ones that don't want to go to the office? What's the point of taking in talent, getting them up to speed at Google and then having them leave after 12–18 months?
    - whatsdoom 2y ago
      You're not going to get a VP job talking like that.
    - sottol 2y ago
      The general opinion here on HN seems to be that the most talented that can easily land a new job are the first to leave - might be a good time to skim the cream of the crop, even if for 12-18 months. Who knows, many might even stay when every other major company moves to RTO.
- SpicyLemonZest 2y ago
  I'm not sure it's right to say they did anything here. All the article reports is that an unspecified Google VP made an offhand remark that no changes are expected to their 3-2 hybrid schedule - which used to be Amazon's schedule until Andy Jassy made an unexpected change.
  - christhecaribou 2y ago
    How do you rationalize MSFT then?
    - SpicyLemonZest 2y ago
      I'm not sure what you mean. As far as I understand, Microsoft also hasn't made any recent changes to their hybrid work policy or unconditional promises regarding its longevity. (I've heard of a _conditional_ promise from an Azure exec that hybrid work will stay unless productivity requires them to get rid of it.)
blackeyeblitzar 2y ago
Maybe but I think this sort of exposed weak leadership at the top of Amazon (Andy Jassy) and/or their hidden goals of a silent layoff or protecting value of their real estates (at everyone else’s cost).

Maybe, maybe not. Amazon has always been the most employee-hostile of the big tech companies. Google and especially FB/Meta have historically poached a lot of engineers away from them just by being more competitive with comp and benefits.

christhecaribou 2y ago

These folks literally just saw what Amazon did and did the opposite.

behringer 2y ago
They just want Amazon talent. Then they'll turn up the heat.
- Hamuko 2y ago
  You mean the ones that don't want to go to the office? What's the point of taking in talent, getting them up to speed at Google and then having them leave after 12–18 months?
  - whatsdoom 2y ago
    You're not going to get a VP job talking like that.
  - sottol 2y ago
    The general opinion here on HN seems to be that the most talented that can easily land a new job are the first to leave - might be a good time to skim the cream of the crop, even if for 12-18 months. Who knows, many might even stay when every other major company moves to RTO.
SpicyLemonZest 2y ago
I'm not sure it's right to say they did anything here. All the article reports is that an unspecified Google VP made an offhand remark that no changes are expected to their 3-2 hybrid schedule - which used to be Amazon's schedule until Andy Jassy made an unexpected change.
- christhecaribou 2y ago
  How do you rationalize MSFT then?
  - SpicyLemonZest 2y ago
    I'm not sure what you mean. As far as I understand, Microsoft also hasn't made any recent changes to their hybrid work policy or unconditional promises regarding its longevity. (I've heard of a _conditional_ promise from an Azure exec that hybrid work will stay unless productivity requires them to get rid of it.)

blackeyeblitzar 2y ago

Maybe but I think this sort of exposed weak leadership at the top of Amazon (Andy Jassy) and/or their hidden goals of a silent layoff or protecting value of their real estates (at everyone else’s cost).