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Map with public fruit trees
- strathmeyer 2y agohttps://fallingfruit.org/ https://fallingfruit.org/
- zikduruqe 2y agoAlso they have a freegan section of reported foods being thrown away. https://fallingfruit.org/?c=forager%2Cfreegan&locale=en https://fallingfruit.org/?c=forager%2Cfreegan&locale=en It is a shame they we throw away so much food.
- IshKebab 2y agoYeah this seems to be more popular, at least in England.
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- croisillon 2y agohttps://www.fruitmap.org/ https://www.fruitmap.org/
- INTPenis 2y agohttps://fruktkartan.se/ https://fruktkartan.se/ for Sweden.
- yreg 2y agominor complaint: every single interaction with the map results in a new item pushed into the browser history
- teaearlgraycold 2y agoRookies
- ahoef 2y agoRule 1: be nice
- teaearlgraycold 2y agoThat’s fair. I don’t want to marginally increase the level of toxicity.
- Unearned5161 2y agowhich makes pressing the back key multiple times take you on a fun adventure in reverse!
- Loughla 2y agoI don't, generally, have the emotion of hate. I believe that hate is just a waste of emotional energy, and doesn't really serve a purpose. Further, I believe that if most people would stop and think, they would see that their hate is only serving to damage themselves, with zero positive results in every case. And yet, I absolutely hate sites that don't let me go back to wherever I was before going to the site when I hit back, but instead reload prior same page clicks.
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- handzhiev 2y agoA fun coincidence - I saw this link right after jumping off the plane from a trip to Hiiumaa and Saaremaa in Estonia. Public apple trees are everywhere. Additionally, people leave some of their apples in boxes for everyone to take for free - some are in front of houses and shop, others on public bus stops etc. Such a lovely tradition.
- henrikschroder 2y agoWhen I went to high school, I'd walk through an allotment garden to get to school. Always great for a snack on the way home, someone had amazing raspberries! Some lovely cherry trees as well as several varieties of apples. Public? Free? Pschht, everyone knows that what's outside the fence is free for the taking! But there were also tons of fruit trees in nature in the city. Went jogging one time at a jogging trail, saw chanterelles in the forest, came back with my t-shirt full of tasty, tasty mushrooms. If you've grown up with always being able to pick fruits and berries and mushrooms in nature, maps like this are so weird. Why would you need a map? Nature is full of it? Oh, you're not allowed? Oh, you can't access it? Oh, there aren't any around, really? How sad.
- whatshisface 2y agoThere aren't a lot of public fruit trees in US cities because the falling ripe fruit can create a sanitization issue.
- ethbr1 2y agoThat's more of an inefficient allocation issue. Mostly people driving past ripe fruit trees to buy fruit imported across oceans at the grocery store.
- nine_k 2y agoWould you prefer fruit that grew near a city road, after many decades of cars passing by that place while burning leaded fuel?
- nemo44x 2y agoPeople will use this to systematically harvest what they can and sell it or its byproducts. Tragedy of the commons, etc.
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- thimkerbell 2y agoHow do you teach such norms, on small things like shared fruit trees, to adults? Which entrepreneurialisms to encourage and which to stop.
- niemandhier 2y agoThat is incredible difficult and basically boils down to resocialising people in another culture. In the case of refugees we are facing the additional problem, that some originate from areas that are long time disfunctional, resulting in humans that never before have been socialized in a working society. I believe that an important factor is to mix newcomers and locals, unfortunately that goes against the desire of both the government and the immigrants. Both want to centralize for efficiency resons.
- lantry 2y agowhen german people get free fruit: yes, that is well and good, the way the world is meant to be. when non-german people get free fruit: aaaargh the immigrants are eating all the fruit! no respect for social norms! poachers! thieves!
- cmcconomy 2y agoHere's a detailed one for Toronto, http://www.mapto.ca/maps/the-fruit-trees-of-toronto http://www.mapto.ca/maps/the-fruit-trees-of-toronto
- GingerMidas 2y agoThis reminds me of the Stanford Gleaning Project https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?mid=15Z25z2IyTYSzH01lmyCrFqaFV_M&oe=UTF8&ie=UTF8&msa=0&ll=37.42520408201615%2C-122.15790987338771&z=16 https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?mid=15Z25z2IyTYSzH0...
- bdjsiqoocwk 2y agoDoes this use OSM? Does anyone understand how to integrate your own data with OSM (like this project does) without having to actually add it to OSM?
- fredley 2y agohttps://leafletjs.com/ https://leafletjs.com/
- pastage 2y agoLeaflet lets you add POIs on a OSM base layer map, you can also extract information from OSM about trees and bushes. If you use dumped data from OSM your data will be considered opendata as well so merging them will mean that you can not prevent other people from using you data. In short: You do a overpass turbo query to dump data from OSM and import it into sqlite, build a GIS index, serve it as geojson, display that on a slippymap with leafletjs and write an end point to update the data.
- bdjsiqoocwk 2y agoThank you.
- diego_moita 2y agoEdmonton, Canada: https://data.edmonton.ca/Environmental-Services/Trees-Map/udbt-eiax https://data.edmonton.ca/Environmental-Services/Trees-Map/ud... The city also has some foraging clubs that are quite active. There are many more things to pick in the city's forests and parks: asparagus, strawberries, raspberries, currants, mushrooms, etc.
- SirMaster 2y agoI am always on the lookout for mullberries. I really like them and you can't just buy them at a grocery store.
- space_oddity 2y agoMulberries are such a treat!
- jccalhoun 2y agoGrowing up we had a mullberry tree. So much purple bird poop.
- sanchezxf 2y agoOk.
- blackeyeblitzar 2y agoAround me I see some people that are very dedicated to exploiting these fruits. They’ll show up with a large group - children, friends, family - and systematically pick everything clean to fill their buckets. It’s really disappointing because they clearly don’t need that much, there’s nothing left for others, and there’s nothing left for wildlife. The worst thing is they usually don’t pay any attention to whether the fruit is ready to be harvested or not - they just grab it all - and that means they’re not likely to get something tasty even for themselves. But there is a mindset to get them before anyone else does, so they take them anyways. Personally I think it is better if these aren’t mapped out, so at least locals who are invested in their community have a chance to pick them responsibly. These maps end up just being used by the exploitative people.
- umpalumpaaa 2y agoAnd unfortunately the website has several entries that are in nature reserves where picking is absolutely not allowed. I mailed the owner of the website to let them know.
- emj 2y agoDo you have examples of nature reserves where this is not allowed. Here there are always rules and they vary alot between the reserves, but mostly you are allowed to pick fruits. Digging, breaking sticks and collecting rocks is forbidden almost everywhere. I ask because this would be an interesting data to have in Openstreetmap or Wikidata, so you can easily know what rules govern what nature reserve.
- wbazant 2y agoI reckon the main thing is to use this free resource, someone valuing it is a good thing. If there's not enough for you or someone else, the right solution is to just plant more.
- tokai 2y agoCool map. But in Copenhagen there are so many toxic lots that I would never take fruit from any tree within the city limits.
- Levitating 2y agoWhat do you mean by toxic?
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- wang_li 2y agoNot Copenhagen, but if you are in the Seattle area you should think twice before gardening or eating fruit from free growing plants if you are south of Elliot Bay on the Puget Sound. https://apps.ecology.wa.gov/dirtalert/?lat=47.273840&lon=-122.500000&zoom=11 https://apps.ecology.wa.gov/dirtalert/?lat=47.273840&lon=-12...
- senortumnus 2y agoThat’s interesting. Leftover from industrial era? Any specific contaminants that you would expect to find in the city soil?
- greegus 2y agoA similar project to http://map.na-ovoce.cz http://map.na-ovoce.cz
- surprisetalk 2y agoI covered some of this in a recent blogpost: [1] https://taylor.town/oh-theft https://taylor.town/oh-theft tl;dr Remember that private plants overhanging public property are not necessarily fair game.
- BriggyDwiggs42 2y agoHey i read some of that blogpost and I’m struggling to see your issue. I’m happy to agree it’s theft, but why should I mind it in cases where it’s a large corporation like home depot? Certainly I agree with your concern for personal gardens.
- surprisetalk 2y agoMy blog post was moreso trying to explain what's legal vs what's right/wrong :) If you're asking for my personal moral opinion, I think it's only a minor sin. To me, it's like walking your dog without a leash. Of course your precious chihuahua doesn't need a leash, but then that somehow gives license for pomeranians, pugs, corgis, collies, terriers, pitbulls, german shephards, mastiffs, etc. I don't think chihuahuas really need leashes. But sometimes I also don't trust people to decode nuance and to self-police. I want to live in a world where chihahuas are free and safe, and it seems like the best way to achieve that is through adherence to blanket policies. I'm still unsure if that makes it a moral issue though haha I'm not a philosopher
- Physkal 2y agoNot many places in the US.
- nox101 2y agoThis feels like it might have unintended consequences. My mom lives in a neighborhood where lots of people have fruit trees and allow neighbors to take some because none of them could eat all of the fruit. But, once in while, some people outside the community drive in an clear out the trees abusing the system. Will a map of public trees increase incidents like that?
- coding123 2y agoThis has happened for free RV camping spots. After the internet occupied the space, you can't find a peaceful area to camp anymore. In fact many places in AZ closed due to people just dumping their black tanks straight up on the land.
- mncharity 2y agoNoted also in comment https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41689953 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41689953 . We're dismissive of "security through obscurity", but cost functions and diffusive compartmentalization are structural components of many systems. Yet exploring innovative approaches to mitigate the costs of our barrier reductions don't seem to get much discussion.
- space_oddity 2y agoMaybe keeping the map more localized
- _ink_ 2y agoI have an alley of cherry trees nearby. It's really nice and there is plenty for everyone. Theoretically. But every year a bunch of "professionals" appear and collect everything. Probably to sell them somewhere. If that weren't enough, they do a lot of damage to the trees. It's just sad.
- gsleblanc 2y agoIf you're interested in this kind of thing, inaturalist is another great resource with significantly more activity (at least in the US)
- Lerc 2y agoThere seems to be quite the split of opinion on public fruit trees. I encountered something like this when I planted a row of red currents at the front of our property. My mother-in-law said "You can't plant those there, people will take the fruit" whereas my thinking was "If I plant these here, people can take the fruit"
- Sirizarry 2y agoOne of my favorite parts of visiting family in Puerto Rico is the ability to stop almost anywhere and pick up a free, fresh mango/passion fruit/papaya/etc.. It’s a beautiful thing to experience nature providing at such scale
- userbinator 2y agoIt's truly abundance when there's so much that you don't have to ever think about running out, probably so much that it even overwhelms those mentioned in the other comments who would otherwise try to harvest as many as they could.
- indoordin0saur 2y agoWhen I visited Guatemala you could so this with avocados. There are so many there that most just fall off the trees and rot on the ground.
- rhcom2 2y agoSo weird because even with a backyard veggie garden I'm always giving stuff away. Who can eat 20 cucumbers a week.
- NetOpWibby 2y agoFarming is for the community. Love to see it.
- robotguy 2y agoReminds me of a saying I heard while living in upstate New York as a kid: You know you live in a small town when, if you leave your windows rolled down in your car at the supermarket, you come back out to find a bag of zucchini on your front seat.
- patrickwalton 2y agoI've been thinking something like this is needed whenever I see a tree dropping fruit on the sidewalk.
- Tomte 2y agoMundraub btw. is a German legal term that literally translates as mouth-robbery.
- cl3misch 2y agoIt was a legal term. For non-Germans: it's a (now colloquial) term for stealing in low quantities and out of direct necessity for your own/your family's survival. In that it alleviates the "base motives" part of the crime.
- hnbad 2y agoIt's colloquially used in a sense that suggests it's legal or a legal gray area but it's also important to point out that there's no such exemption. "Mundraub" is simply minor theft (like shoplifting low-value products) which means you won't be prosecuted unless the injured party presses charges. "Stealing" fruit (or flowers) from public flora is legal in a practical sense and under certain circumstances explicitly permitted if it does not involve trespass, you only take small quantities (which is not legally defined) and you do so carefully (which is also not legally defined). There's no requirement for immediately consuming the fruits on the spot (as the colloquial use of the term "Mundraub" suggests). As with most of the things laypeople think of as being legal, it's more of a case of how much someone cares to enforce the law that makes it illegal. Also note that "public land" may not actually be public despite being publicly accessible. A lot of former nobility retained their land despite losing their titles and it's not always clear that this land is actually privately owned, especially if you're not from the area. Some is even tended by municipal governments as part of contractual agreements for allowing access to the public. Germany did not get rid of its nobility like e.g. France did even if we officially no longer recognize titles.
- paulcapewell 2y agoAh - kind of like scrumping in British English.
- 11235813213455 2y agoMy best spots are fruits trees in the border of a villa, but you can catch some by climbing a bit. Usually proprietaries are ok, they don't eat them most of time. I'm foraging figs and persimons
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- lordgrenville 2y agoSomeone brought this up in a child comment: what are the taste/health effects of near-permanent car traffic on fruit trees? The fruit of the public citrus trees in my city is pretty sour, but I don't know how much this is because of not being bred for sweetness, vs absorbing carbon monoxide, lead etc from passing cars.
- ricardobayes 2y agoIf it's anywhere in southern Spain the oranges are decorative/bitter jam oranges, not for eating directly.
- space_oddity 2y agoDef fruit grown near heavy traffic can be affected by pollution yet the extent of these effects depends on different factors
- cubbic 2y agoVery cool and we have similar in Sweden. Have used it several times https://fruktkartan.se/#/ https://fruktkartan.se/#/
- m000 2y agoI'm glad to see several fig trees in Crete on the map. Just the other day I was thinking it would be cool to have an app mapping them. Fig trees located in fields are considered public by tradition in Crete. I.e. it's fair game to stop by and grab some fruit, even if you cross into private property. This tradition originates from older days, where farmers/shepherds were travelling the island on foot or riding donkeys, often sleeping away from home. Fig trees were established as the unofficial roadside snack bars because of the delicious fruit, but more importantly because they thrive on the rough terrain without need for human care.
- b3ing 2y agoI knew someone that had a date tree in the far front corner of their yard. when it produced fruit a car would park there and like 4-5 people were picking all the fruit off the tree. they ended up cutting it down. Just be prepared for someone to pick everything to sell or for their restaurant
- lotsoweiners 2y agoDates grow on palms that are quite tall. Were they climbing these people’s palm tree?
- b3ing 2y agoThey brought a ladder
- jlengrand 2y agoI live in the Netherlands but come from South of France. First thing I did when buying a house was to create a "aromatic garden" in front of my house. Oregano, thyme, lavender, .... No only the smell is amazing in the summer and it reminds me of home, but it's been so cool to see people come and pluck from it for their cooking. It's been my hope all along. I love this <3
- zwieback 2y agoOregon is plastered with fruit trees just growing anywhere in public spaces. Most of the time wild trees aren't cared for enough to be useful but there are some exceptions, especially plums.
- zwieback 2y agowhich mapping style do they use? Reminds me of the German maps of my childhood. We have nice forest service maps but the styling isn't as pretty
- supportengineer 2y agoI have a fruit tree that provides a LOT of fruit. Half of it hangs over a fence. I don't mind if people come up and take some of the "low hanging fruit". However the other day I caught a lady halfway across the top of my fence, her torso was in my yard. This is a 6 foot tall fence. The problem is that if you give an inch, people take a mile.
- vondur 2y agoIf I had a fruit tree in my front yard, I wouldn't care if someone takes the fruit. Most people don't eat all the fruit in a season anyways.