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WP.org isn't independent obviously because it's being funded in large part by Automattic who pays the bills. And this issue of independence is separate, don't

WP.org isn't independent obviously because it's being funded in large part by Automattic who pays the bills. And this issue of independence is separate, don't move the discussion... Why is WP.org obligated to provide free services to WP Engine and their users? Why the entitlement?

chuckadams 2y ago
Why is WP.org entitled to selectively blacklist one downstream consumer and not others? Have they demonstrated that WPE is putting undue load on the infrastructure? Have they even alleged it until just now? If wp.org is part of the foundation, then they have a legally binding mission, and "acting in Automattic's strategic interests" is not in there. If they're not, then a8c is intentionally obfuscating their ownership of wp.org, thus placing the credibility and legal status of the foundation in jeopardy.
- batuhanicoz 2y ago
  > If wp.org is part of the foundation It is not. > a8c is intentionally obfuscating their ownership of wp.org Automattic (my employer) does not own WordPress.org There is no obligation on WordPress.org's part to provide free services to WP Engine. WP Engine uses trademarks in misleading ways while WordPress.org has a license from WPF to use the trademark.
  - chuckadams 2y ago
    So wordpress.org is owned entirely by Matt Mullenweg? The vast majority and default location of the whole plugin and theme distribution infrastructure is owned by one person? Perhaps you could point me to some page on wordpress.org that clarifies the ownership situation.
  - SpicyLemonZest 2y ago
    > Automattic (my employer) does not own WordPress.org I really think your employer is lying to you about this. The Automattic CEO made an official WordPress.org announcement that the .org was taking action against WP Engine on September 25 in response to legal threats. WP Engine says - and neither Automattic nor WordPress.org have produced evidence to the contrary - that the only legal threat they've made was their public one to Automattic on September 23. This clearly implies to me that Mullenweg is operating WordPress.org as an extension of Automattic and its business interests, regardless of what official ownership records might say.
flutas 2y ago
> Why is WP.org obligated to provide free services to WP Engine and their users? Why the entitlement? Think about the questions I asked about this. Why did I ask for API PRICING if I think anyone is entitled to it for free? Stop trying to move the goalposts yourself. I never once said they were "obligated to provide free services" I asked where the pricing info is, since they clearly don't want to provide it for free..... or else they are being used to further a commercial entities fight... Reading comprehension is easy to use.

chuckadams 2y ago

Why is WP.org entitled to selectively blacklist one downstream consumer and not others? Have they demonstrated that WPE is putting undue load on the infrastructure? Have they even alleged it until just now? If wp.org is part of the foundation, then they have a legally binding mission, and "acting in Automattic's strategic interests" is not in there. If they're not, then a8c is intentionally obfuscating their ownership of wp.org, thus placing the credibility and legal status of the foundation in jeopardy.

batuhanicoz 2y ago
> If wp.org is part of the foundation It is not. > a8c is intentionally obfuscating their ownership of wp.org Automattic (my employer) does not own WordPress.org There is no obligation on WordPress.org's part to provide free services to WP Engine. WP Engine uses trademarks in misleading ways while WordPress.org has a license from WPF to use the trademark.
- chuckadams 2y ago
  So wordpress.org is owned entirely by Matt Mullenweg? The vast majority and default location of the whole plugin and theme distribution infrastructure is owned by one person? Perhaps you could point me to some page on wordpress.org that clarifies the ownership situation.
- SpicyLemonZest 2y ago
  > Automattic (my employer) does not own WordPress.org I really think your employer is lying to you about this. The Automattic CEO made an official WordPress.org announcement that the .org was taking action against WP Engine on September 25 in response to legal threats. WP Engine says - and neither Automattic nor WordPress.org have produced evidence to the contrary - that the only legal threat they've made was their public one to Automattic on September 23. This clearly implies to me that Mullenweg is operating WordPress.org as an extension of Automattic and its business interests, regardless of what official ownership records might say.

flutas 2y ago

> Why is WP.org obligated to provide free services to WP Engine and their users? Why the entitlement? Think about the questions I asked about this. Why did I ask for API PRICING if I think anyone is entitled to it for free? Stop trying to move the goalposts yourself. I never once said they were "obligated to provide free services" I asked where the pricing info is, since they clearly don't want to provide it for free..... or else they are being used to further a commercial entities fight... Reading comprehension is easy to use.