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I hold the strong belief that gambling companies are evil and make the world worse and I wouldn't find the burning of them down by the loved ones of people's li

I hold the strong belief that gambling companies are evil and make the world worse and I wouldn't find the burning of them down by the loved ones of people's lives they ruined to be unethical. However people should know what regulating ethics to this degree looks like: the modern PRC. In the PRC you get a government mandated timer on your MMOs to ensure you don't spend too much time playing videogames. In the internet cafes there's 24/7 a CPC bureaucrat prowling around keeping an eye on your chats - plus automated mandated filters which depending on the implementation can auto kick you from a multiplayer match, hence the entirely viable strategy when playing against PRC players to spam "FREE HONG KONG REVOLUTION OF OUR TIMES CCP COMMITS GENOCIDE AGAINST UIGHUR MUSLIMS XINJIANG" into chat to get them kicked from the match. There's industry level morality controls as well such as not being allowed to make a tv show featuring "feminine men" and the implicit ban on showing LGBT couples. Personally I don't trust a State to choose the correct morals, be it aesthetically communist or aesthetically capitalist. We can look at America's history of moral laws to see another example, such as prohibition.

School-Cotton 2y ago
There’s a readily available example proving your slippery slope isn’t guaranteed to happen: gambling was illegal in most of the US very recently and it wasn’t anything like China.
- pclmulqdq 2y ago
  The gambling bans in the US weren't that effective. People who wanted to gamble went to crypto casinos or other online gambling games.
  - School-Cotton 2y ago
    They still stopped the vast majority of casual people.
pbhjpbhj 2y ago
So instead, you trust for-profit companies to direct the morals of society? Surely the reason prohibition failed so badly was that it wasn't democratic. You can't mandate against vice unless you have the support of the majority.
- komali2 2y ago
  > So instead, you trust for-profit companies to direct the morals of society? Absolutely not. I don't really have a solution, but in general it seems distributing power to more local level forms of governance works well for many things, so perhaps something along those lines?
  - paulryanrogers 2y ago
    Local control has limits too. In the US one can now export pollution to ones neighboring states. Las Vegas exports it's externalities by marketing to out of state populations. (Or at least they did when gambling was more heavily regulated elsewhere)
  - FactKnower69 2y ago
    >it seems distributing power to more local level forms of governance works well for many things >CCP COMMITS GENOCIDE AGAINST UIGHUR MUSLIMS XINJIANG wow, you seem to really know what you're talking about! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomous_regions_of_China https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomous_regions_of_China
    - komali2 2y ago
      Is your argument that Xinjiang is somehow autonomous from the CPC government? That's a very strange claim to make considering it's undeniably ruled completely by the whims of the CPC. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strike_Hard_Campaign_Against_Violent_Terrorism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strike_Hard_Campaign_Against_V... If that's not what you mean, can you help me understand what you're saying?
- CMCDragonkai 2y ago
Dylan16807 2y ago
Regulating what businesses can sell is pretty different from regulating what people can say.
- komali2 2y ago
  Ehh is it? The CPC regulates videogames the way it does because it views it as a moral harm to society the same way people argue about gambling destroying lives. And gay sex harms the fertile output of the People and so also shouldn't be promoted. Capitalist imperialism is always at the gates trying to tempt people to turn on their fellow citizens and oftentimes it masquerades as a Christian Missionary so the State is obligated to keep a sharp check on religious organizations, not to mention to protect people from destroying their lives through cults (and ALL religions are cults). These needs require the regulation of speech and business. The USA doesn't take it quite so far but it did strongly regulate the socio-economic imperialism of Communism, leveraging State resources to attempt to convince socialist leaders to kill themselves (MLK) or just by assassinating and imprisoning them (Black Panthers). The State protects people from ruining their lives with marijuana, or from ruining the justice system by telling people walking into a courthouse about Jury Nullification. These needs require the regulation of speech (can't tell people Communism is super awesome and you should unionize and strike) and business (can't open a casino in downtown LA). For the record gay sex isn't harmful to the fertility of the state and shouldn't be regulated, nor should speech about Jury Nullification, I was just making a point about both nations.
  - Dylan16807 2y ago
    > Ehh is it? Yes. Your first paragraph is about motive, which isn't enough to make those two actions the same. Your second paragraph is just bad things the US did? I don't see how it's relevant to the question.

School-Cotton 2y ago

There’s a readily available example proving your slippery slope isn’t guaranteed to happen: gambling was illegal in most of the US very recently and it wasn’t anything like China.

pclmulqdq 2y ago
The gambling bans in the US weren't that effective. People who wanted to gamble went to crypto casinos or other online gambling games.
- School-Cotton 2y ago
  They still stopped the vast majority of casual people.

pbhjpbhj 2y ago

So instead, you trust for-profit companies to direct the morals of society? Surely the reason prohibition failed so badly was that it wasn't democratic. You can't mandate against vice unless you have the support of the majority.

komali2 2y ago
> So instead, you trust for-profit companies to direct the morals of society? Absolutely not. I don't really have a solution, but in general it seems distributing power to more local level forms of governance works well for many things, so perhaps something along those lines?
- paulryanrogers 2y ago
  Local control has limits too. In the US one can now export pollution to ones neighboring states. Las Vegas exports it's externalities by marketing to out of state populations. (Or at least they did when gambling was more heavily regulated elsewhere)
- FactKnower69 2y ago
  >it seems distributing power to more local level forms of governance works well for many things >CCP COMMITS GENOCIDE AGAINST UIGHUR MUSLIMS XINJIANG wow, you seem to really know what you're talking about! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomous_regions_of_China https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomous_regions_of_China
  - komali2 2y ago
    Is your argument that Xinjiang is somehow autonomous from the CPC government? That's a very strange claim to make considering it's undeniably ruled completely by the whims of the CPC. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strike_Hard_Campaign_Against_Violent_Terrorism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strike_Hard_Campaign_Against_V... If that's not what you mean, can you help me understand what you're saying?
CMCDragonkai 2y ago

Dylan16807 2y ago

Regulating what businesses can sell is pretty different from regulating what people can say.

komali2 2y ago
Ehh is it? The CPC regulates videogames the way it does because it views it as a moral harm to society the same way people argue about gambling destroying lives. And gay sex harms the fertile output of the People and so also shouldn't be promoted. Capitalist imperialism is always at the gates trying to tempt people to turn on their fellow citizens and oftentimes it masquerades as a Christian Missionary so the State is obligated to keep a sharp check on religious organizations, not to mention to protect people from destroying their lives through cults (and ALL religions are cults). These needs require the regulation of speech and business. The USA doesn't take it quite so far but it did strongly regulate the socio-economic imperialism of Communism, leveraging State resources to attempt to convince socialist leaders to kill themselves (MLK) or just by assassinating and imprisoning them (Black Panthers). The State protects people from ruining their lives with marijuana, or from ruining the justice system by telling people walking into a courthouse about Jury Nullification. These needs require the regulation of speech (can't tell people Communism is super awesome and you should unionize and strike) and business (can't open a casino in downtown LA). For the record gay sex isn't harmful to the fertility of the state and shouldn't be regulated, nor should speech about Jury Nullification, I was just making a point about both nations.
- Dylan16807 2y ago
  > Ehh is it? Yes. Your first paragraph is about motive, which isn't enough to make those two actions the same. Your second paragraph is just bad things the US did? I don't see how it's relevant to the question.