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Did your relative? I'm not a geneticist so I could be totally off the mark; but, to my understanding, the painful part is that is a big disclosure right there

by mhsdef 2y ago

dylan604 2y ago
yeah, it's like the shadow profiles on social media sites. just because you didn't do it, doesn't mean that someone else doesn't
HideousKojima 2y ago
My oldest brother did so I'm already screwed
- starfezzy 2y ago
  Can even one single person here articulate their specific fears of using 23andme, or is it all FUD?
  - zetsurin 2y ago
    Maybe too far fetched? Company sells/loses data, insurance companies use data to deny coverage, or deem claims as pre-existing.
    - peanutz454 2y ago
      Can an insurance company deny claim based on your DNA? They deny claims for pre-existing condition that you hid from the, which would be the wrong thing to do on your part. They cannot deny claim based on pre existing disposition. Practically everyone is predisposed for getting cancer by merely being human, you might even have cancerous cells in your body right now, that you body will destroy in a couple of minutes.
      - dekhn 2y ago
        Health insurance in the US can't- it's protected by a law called GINA. Life insurance, however, can use DNA information.
  - SoftTalker 2y ago
    Review world history.
  - genewitch 2y ago
    Sure. Someone who has their data in 23andme was someplace where something horrible happened. Law enforcement has no leads, so they process the DNA, and find no matches. They subpoena 23andme (or just look at the leaked data, who knows), and that person is now a person of interest. If they don't know they should have a lawyer on their side with them when being questioned, they might talk themselves into prison. Now imagine that person is innocent.
    - noirbot 2y ago
      I know it's not exactly the point, but the answer is you always have a lawyer if you're being questioned by the police, especially if you're not the one who called them. This is in no way specific to any DNA related situation. If any law enforcement shows up and has questions for you, you say nothing until you have a lawyer with you.
      - kelnos 2y ago
        Lawyers are expensive. Most people can't afford one for even one encounter with the police, let alone multiple.
        cryptonector 2y ago
        Doesn't matter. If they're talking to you say you need your lawyer present -- that will end the interrogation, and you might never need a lawyer. But if you don't say that you might end up convicted.
        itishappy 2y ago
        Pleading the 5th is free.
        noirbot 2y ago
        I'm not saying it's fair or right. As with most things in life, the cost/benefit makes it likely you'll have to take some risks, but people need to understand that literally any interaction with any law enforcement without a lawyer present is a risk of things going horrifically badly. This is especially true if they show up and you do not know why. That is a massive set of alarm bells that should be going off.
  - toast0 2y ago
    If I've committed a crime and gotten away with it for several decades, I don't need a relative to NARC on me by giving 23 and me and the feds a DNA sample, thank you very much. It's bad enough they took my fingerprints when I worked for a school district.
  - atoav 2y ago
    Wrong people come into power, decide that they want some sort of purity based one genetic information, you are not it get genocided.
    - Ylpertnodi 2y ago
      >you are not it [,] get genocided. Wouldn't the singular be 'un-alived', these fucking days?
      - atoav 2y ago
        Well for one, English is not my first language, so take it with a grain of salt. Also: when I use genocide as as a verb, it means there is a concerted effort to kill of a group of humans, that you happen to be a part of. I know we live in an individualist society, but when you are murdered as part of a genocide that has nothing to do with you as an individual, which is a significant part of the horror of the whole thing. You are then murdered because someone thought you belonged to a group that should be wiped of the face of the earth. Whether you really belonged to that group, whether you share the ideology of the group or of those doing the genocide, wheter you are a really nice individual has nothing to do with it. So I chose that word for a reason..
  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    > Can even one single person here articulate their specific fears of using 23andme Sure. I find out my competitor for the top role has a degenerative disease, e.g. Parkinson’s. It’s not relevant for many years. But I use it, subtly, to shape opinion. More pointedly: we are in an era of mass disinformation. The simple fact that somebody used 23andMe makes any lie about it somewhat credible.
  - busterarm 2y ago
    There's a whole book about said fears. https://www.amazon.com/Change-Agent-Daniel-Suarez/dp/110198466X https://www.amazon.com/Change-Agent-Daniel-Suarez/dp/1101984...
  - lurkshark 2y ago
    The company seems to be in rough condition. Say they go bankrupt and an ad-tech data broker buys their assets. Now DraftKings can laser focus their ads to folks genetically predisposed to addiction.
    - LarsDu88 2y ago
      This is both dystopian and hilarious. 23andMe a subsidiary of Pizza Hut... We know exactly what you crave and it ain't anchovies.
    - jay-barronville 2y ago
      > Say they go bankrupt and an ad-tech data broker buys their assets. Now DraftKings can laser focus their ads to folks genetically predisposed to addiction. Excellent example, but yikes!
    - kjkjadksj 2y ago
      You’d have to work out what variants predispose for that which is no easy task. And once you did that you don’t even really need individual dna data. You might find say a swedish population tends to have the variant and you just target swedes in general.
  - stcroixx 2y ago
    Not having control of how my DNA is used. It can be taken by the state with a warrant, but otherwise I have control over it.
  - sophacles 2y ago
    Besides the obvious examples of gathering a nice database to use for genocidal purposes... (sure lot's of idiots like to say that's overblown or not really a worry, while being alive in a world where there are on-going 'ethnic cleansing' campaigns). There's also things like - the terms of service include the boilerplate "these terms are subject to change at any time", and I don't want those terms to suddenly change to "we will provide your PII to all insurance companies proactively in exchange for a kickback every time they are able to use it to reject a claim". I already get hassled by the law somewhat frequently because my house used to be the residence of a criminal (2 owners ago it was used as a rental and that owner evicted said criminal). I don't want to add getting hassled by a bunch of people who came in below the max IQ requirements over someone I've never met because they're from "that side" of the family.
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Did your relative? I'm not a geneticist so I could be totally off the mark; but, to my understanding, the painful part is that is a big disclosure right there

by mhsdef 2y ago

Did your relative? I'm not a geneticist so I could be totally off the mark; but, to my understanding, the painful part is that is a big disclosure right there

dylan604 2y ago

yeah, it's like the shadow profiles on social media sites. just because you didn't do it, doesn't mean that someone else doesn't

HideousKojima 2y ago

My oldest brother did so I'm already screwed

starfezzy 2y ago
Can even one single person here articulate their specific fears of using 23andme, or is it all FUD?
- zetsurin 2y ago
  Maybe too far fetched? Company sells/loses data, insurance companies use data to deny coverage, or deem claims as pre-existing.
  - peanutz454 2y ago
    Can an insurance company deny claim based on your DNA? They deny claims for pre-existing condition that you hid from the, which would be the wrong thing to do on your part. They cannot deny claim based on pre existing disposition. Practically everyone is predisposed for getting cancer by merely being human, you might even have cancerous cells in your body right now, that you body will destroy in a couple of minutes.
    - dekhn 2y ago
      Health insurance in the US can't- it's protected by a law called GINA. Life insurance, however, can use DNA information.
- SoftTalker 2y ago
  Review world history.
- genewitch 2y ago
  Sure. Someone who has their data in 23andme was someplace where something horrible happened. Law enforcement has no leads, so they process the DNA, and find no matches. They subpoena 23andme (or just look at the leaked data, who knows), and that person is now a person of interest. If they don't know they should have a lawyer on their side with them when being questioned, they might talk themselves into prison. Now imagine that person is innocent.
  - noirbot 2y ago
    I know it's not exactly the point, but the answer is you always have a lawyer if you're being questioned by the police, especially if you're not the one who called them. This is in no way specific to any DNA related situation. If any law enforcement shows up and has questions for you, you say nothing until you have a lawyer with you.
    - kelnos 2y ago
      Lawyers are expensive. Most people can't afford one for even one encounter with the police, let alone multiple.
      - cryptonector 2y ago
        Doesn't matter. If they're talking to you say you need your lawyer present -- that will end the interrogation, and you might never need a lawyer. But if you don't say that you might end up convicted.
      - itishappy 2y ago
        Pleading the 5th is free.
      - noirbot 2y ago
        I'm not saying it's fair or right. As with most things in life, the cost/benefit makes it likely you'll have to take some risks, but people need to understand that literally any interaction with any law enforcement without a lawyer present is a risk of things going horrifically badly. This is especially true if they show up and you do not know why. That is a massive set of alarm bells that should be going off.
- toast0 2y ago
  If I've committed a crime and gotten away with it for several decades, I don't need a relative to NARC on me by giving 23 and me and the feds a DNA sample, thank you very much. It's bad enough they took my fingerprints when I worked for a school district.
- atoav 2y ago
  Wrong people come into power, decide that they want some sort of purity based one genetic information, you are not it get genocided.
  - Ylpertnodi 2y ago
    >you are not it [,] get genocided. Wouldn't the singular be 'un-alived', these fucking days?
    - atoav 2y ago
      Well for one, English is not my first language, so take it with a grain of salt. Also: when I use genocide as as a verb, it means there is a concerted effort to kill of a group of humans, that you happen to be a part of. I know we live in an individualist society, but when you are murdered as part of a genocide that has nothing to do with you as an individual, which is a significant part of the horror of the whole thing. You are then murdered because someone thought you belonged to a group that should be wiped of the face of the earth. Whether you really belonged to that group, whether you share the ideology of the group or of those doing the genocide, wheter you are a really nice individual has nothing to do with it. So I chose that word for a reason..
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > Can even one single person here articulate their specific fears of using 23andme Sure. I find out my competitor for the top role has a degenerative disease, e.g. Parkinson’s. It’s not relevant for many years. But I use it, subtly, to shape opinion. More pointedly: we are in an era of mass disinformation. The simple fact that somebody used 23andMe makes any lie about it somewhat credible.
- busterarm 2y ago
  There's a whole book about said fears. https://www.amazon.com/Change-Agent-Daniel-Suarez/dp/110198466X https://www.amazon.com/Change-Agent-Daniel-Suarez/dp/1101984...
- lurkshark 2y ago
  The company seems to be in rough condition. Say they go bankrupt and an ad-tech data broker buys their assets. Now DraftKings can laser focus their ads to folks genetically predisposed to addiction.
  - LarsDu88 2y ago
    This is both dystopian and hilarious. 23andMe a subsidiary of Pizza Hut... We know exactly what you crave and it ain't anchovies.
  - jay-barronville 2y ago
    > Say they go bankrupt and an ad-tech data broker buys their assets. Now DraftKings can laser focus their ads to folks genetically predisposed to addiction. Excellent example, but yikes!
  - kjkjadksj 2y ago
    You’d have to work out what variants predispose for that which is no easy task. And once you did that you don’t even really need individual dna data. You might find say a swedish population tends to have the variant and you just target swedes in general.
- stcroixx 2y ago
  Not having control of how my DNA is used. It can be taken by the state with a warrant, but otherwise I have control over it.
- sophacles 2y ago
  Besides the obvious examples of gathering a nice database to use for genocidal purposes... (sure lot's of idiots like to say that's overblown or not really a worry, while being alive in a world where there are on-going 'ethnic cleansing' campaigns). There's also things like - the terms of service include the boilerplate "these terms are subject to change at any time", and I don't want those terms to suddenly change to "we will provide your PII to all insurance companies proactively in exchange for a kickback every time they are able to use it to reject a claim". I already get hassled by the law somewhat frequently because my house used to be the residence of a criminal (2 owners ago it was used as a rental and that owner evicted said criminal). I don't want to add getting hassled by a bunch of people who came in below the max IQ requirements over someone I've never met because they're from "that side" of the family.
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