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Linux 6.11 Released
- unixhero 2y agoRejoice! Edit: These two items are huge! support for writing block drivers in Rust, support for atomic write operations in the block layer,
- ufo 2y agoDoes anyone know how they'll implement the runtime constants?
- vardump 2y agoLong way since Linux 3.11 for Workgroups [0]: [0]: https://www.linuxfoundation.org/blog/blog/linux-kernel-3-11-release-boosts-performance-efficiency https://www.linuxfoundation.org/blog/blog/linux-kernel-3-11-...
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- unethical_ban 2y agoMan, time flies. I remember Slashdot's thread announcing it. Linux versioning now is the worst kind of arbitrary! It's the web-browser "just iterate the number" method, but with the appearance of semantic versioning.
- fallingsquirrel 2y agoLinus does that on purpose, because he doesn't want people to put undue importance on any particular release. https://lwn.net/Articles/781206/ https://lwn.net/Articles/781206/ > I'd like to point out (yet again) that we don't do feature-based releases, and that "5.0" doesn't mean anything more than that the 4.x numbers started getting big enough that I ran out of fingers and toes.
- kabes 2y agoThen just an ever increasing number like most browser do these days would make more sense.
- meiraleal 2y agoWhat about he just continue doing what he is doing? We are talking about the most succesful open source project here
- IshKebab 2y agoI'd argue KHTML could give Linux a run for its money for that title.
- The_Colonel 2y agoNo way. KHTML is a cautionary tale of what happens when open source is coopted by corporate power. How can you call KHTML successful when it is dead, with its progeny in tight control of Google/Apple?
- IshKebab 2y agoBecause it formed the basis for essentially every web engine that is used today? I would call that successful. (Before you say "but gecko!", take a look at the usage stats.)
- The_Colonel 2y agoSuccess is subjective. But I don't think it was an intention of KHTML developers to build a basis for corporate-controlled browsers and then die.
- fortyseven 2y agoI kind of like the year/release style. 2024.1, etc. Gives you some context for how old/new it is at a glance.
- ensignavenger 2y agoLinux versioning has always been that way.
- marcodiego 2y agoBets for 6.12: sched_ext, PREEMPT_RT anyone?
- samtheprogram 2y agoPREEMPT_RT, please!!
- cwillu 2y agoPREEMPT_RT would be a boon for audio/video work, hope it finally goes in. Not everyone who needs it knows they need it, let alone how to compile it, and having it in-tree would massively simplify the process for distros to [re-]package a proper RT kernel.
- anthk 2y agoThese kind of schedulers often harm servers' I/O usage. And the opposite it's true too. Server based loads are bad for multimedia/gaming desktops.
- cwillu 2y agoYes, that's why it's a config option; but if the code is in the kernel a distro can package up a preempt-rt kernel by flipping the config flag rather than maintaining an out-of-tree patchset, which is a _much_ lower burden.
- anthk 2y agoAh, TIL. I thought the -rt kernel was in mainline since mid 2000's.
- aseipp 2y agoThere's already a series posted a week ago for 6.12 that will ungate PREEMPT_RT on x86, ARM and RISC-V; it only modifies the Kconfig entries to enable it[1]. So I'd say it's hardly a bet! [1] https://lwn.net/ml/all/20240906111841.562402-1-bigeasy@linutronix.de/ https://lwn.net/ml/all/20240906111841.562402-1-bigeasy@linut...
- homebrewer 2y ago6.10 (TEN, the previous one) has been a very problematic release for me, with one desktop running into four major bugs in total: three separate amdgpu bugs resulting in video corruption, hangs and crashes, and now that I'm on 6.10.10 and those seem to be fixed, the system intermittently refuses to come up from sleep mode. Anyone else having similar experience? This is the first time something like that happened in a decade of using the latest stable kernel release (in my experience, it's actually been stable for all that time except for 6.10).
- skerit 2y ago6.10 broke my AMD 5700XT eGPU setup. Had to downgrade to 6.9 After I upgraded to a 7900XT it worked again.
- mahkoh 2y agoI've had a few hard crashes (system freezes completely, ssh does not work) over the last two weeks on 6.10.x kernels. I am hoping that it is https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/drm/amd/-/issues/3142 https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/drm/amd/-/issues/3142 (and not hardware failure) but I've been unable to capture the kernel panic if it does occur. Never had such an issue before.
- OvbiousError 2y agoWow thanks for that link. I've had my machine crashing a couple of times as well the last couple of weeks, was absolutely stable before. I hope it's this and not hardware failure.
- 0xC0ncord 2y agoI too have been having AMD GPU video artifacting lately, but so far that is the only regression I've noticed in 6.10.x. I am still on 6.10.8 so I'm not sure if 6.10.10 will contain a fix for me just yet.
- shmerl 2y agoWhat GPU?
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- jsheard 2y ago> if you list the important advancements of humankind (like LLMs [...]) Bait used to be believable.
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- le-mark 2y ago> but if you list the important advancements of humankind (like LLMs, drug development, basic science breakthroughs etc.) Amusingly, free and open source kernels (including bsds) are key to enabling all of that.
- 7e 2y agoNo, not at all. GPUs are the key to enabling all that. Kernels are just some glue running in there. Most of the NVIDIA goodness is actually in userspace. You could just as well say that electricity or HVAC is the key.
- xyst 2y agoI’m just at awe to see Torvalds still publishing the release notes for Linux kernel.
- HL33tibCe7 2y agoHe's got at least another decade in him
- throwaway1194 2y ago“I'm still working on it. It's been 25 years. I can do this for another 25. I'll wear them down.” —Linus Torvalds
- ajcp 2y agoNot only release notes, he's still actively contributing! From said release notes: > Linus Torvalds (2): > mm: avoid leaving partial pfn mappings around in error case > Linux 6.11
- candiddevmike 2y agoWonder what kind of succession is in place. I'd assume there's a legal framework around it to ensure continuity with something so important.
- fluoridation 2y agoI mean, it's GPL. If something were to happen to him, anyone could just start their own fork. There would likely be some competition between forks for a while before two or three emerge as the successors eventually.
- frantathefranta 2y agoYes, but also most people would probably not want that to happen to the Linux kernel. That's why people wonder about contingencies.
- candiddevmike 2y agoLinux is basically a national security issue at this point with how much runs on it. Linus is an interesting dictator because he's not bound to any corporation. I think some kind of kernel throne wars would be terrible for the community and could result in Red Hat or some other corporate overlord owning the kernel (not literally because of trademarks but effectively through the release and mainline).
- johnnyApplePRNG 2y agoDoes this mean i can suspend my Linux laptop to ram now?
- fsflover 2y agoIf you choose the right laptop, yes. Works for me.
- johnnyApplePRNG 2y agoThinkpad L14 Gen 1, anybody care to take a guess?
- _cenw 2y agoYou have no idea how little that narrows it down, there's an Intel and an AMD variant.
- IshKebab 2y agolol so the answer is "probably not".
- johnnyApplePRNG 2y agoMy apologies, it runs a 4750u amd processor.
- _cenw 2y agoThat gen should still have "real" S3 sleep, with S2idle/S0ix (same thing, different name) being an option. I'd guess yes.
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- shatsky 2y agoIs suspend-to-ram something that often doesn't work on laptops with Linux, really? I used it on dozens and saw problems maybe once or twice. Though I usually pick ones which are 3+ years old.
- jeffbee 2y agoCan't wait for Ubuntu to drop this into the Oracular beta for a couple of days and pretend like that was tested before release.
- ruthmarx 2y agoIsn't that a large part of what makes Ubuntu Ubuntu?
- rafaelturk 2y agoIsn’t that the very definition of what an upcoming release should do?
- jeffbee 2y agoNot at all. It is a poor pattern because they throw a kernel over the wall right before the freeze, then refuse to fix any of the bugs, because of the freeze. The kernel should go out to general testing as soon as the cycle starts, not right before it ends.
- benakh 2y agoAnyone here that can comment on the new snapdragon X support?
- SushiHippie 2y agoThis is the latest news I could find about snapdragon support https://www.phoronix.com/news/Linux-6.11-SoC-Platforms https://www.phoronix.com/news/Linux-6.11-SoC-Platforms EDIT: looking at the tree of 6.11, these 2 laptops are still the only "supported"† ones https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/arch/arm64/boot/dts/qcom?h=v6.11 https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/lin... † as in bootable, but still don't work fully (e.g. touchpad not working, battery monitoring not working, camera not working, usb/hdmi not working fully)
- meiraleal 2y agoWhen will be the year of GNU/Linux for smartphones? Android is not it. I wish we could install distros in a smartphone as easy as it is in desktop
- martinsnow 2y agoNobody wants it outside of a tiny hobbyist segment.
- candiddevmike 2y agoNobody understands it outside of a tiny hobbyist segment, because there is no "definitive" Linux. No two "Linux" look the same. The year of the Linux desktop will be when there's an OS like Android or macOS that is running Linux but the only way you would tell is by running uname.
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- squarefoot 2y agoFighting against well known hardware on PCs is one thing, doing the same against mobile manufacturers because they refuse to release any documentation is a nightmare. Linux will have a hard time becoming a reality in the mobile world because of hardware manufacturers hostility, not for any of its faults. Pine64 had to design the PinePhone platform from scratch for this exact reason, still they encountered so many blocks that when it finally became available it was already too old.
- guerrilla 2y agoMaybe FairPhone can do it eventually.
- shatsky 2y ago"As easy as in desktop" not going to happen anytime soon. Phone "bootloader firmwares" lack full description of phone hardware in stardartized form like PC ACPI does, expecting customized OS kernel to know the phone it's running on. Phone devices lack capability to emulate something ancient-but-standard, expecting customized OS to include drivers for all of them. That's enough to make unified OS images impossible.