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> Because clearly it’s not about the content per see which is a dim a dozen and available for free in trove. I think you should step back and look at it with a

> Because clearly it’s not about the content per see which is a dim a dozen and available for free in trove. I think you should step back and look at it with a bit of distance. Is the content they're paying for really the same as you think is available for free, and do they even get it under the same conditions, in morality and circumstance. Not knowing your life, it feels like you could have said the same towards people buying pricy concert tickets when there's royalty free music abundantly available. > commoditised distress [...] often in dire situations The first step to alleviate these specific situations could be to stop marginalizing this kind of content and give them a regular professional status, instead of systematicly pigeon hole it.

ant_li0n 2y ago
> The first step to alleviate these specific situations could be to stop marginalizing this kind of content and give them a regular professional status, instead of systematicly pigeon hole it I dislike arguments made in this vein, it's sortof a way to intellectually dismiss someone's point without addressing it. I share the grandparent poster's concern. Parasocial relationships feed us in a certain way, but do not nourish. Don't get me wrong; I'd rather have OnlyFans than pimps. But that's not the point.
- makeitdouble 2y ago
  I'm not sure what's to address about parent's point, in that it's already a focus of law enforcement, there will be widely popular polical campaigns to gather people with these inclinations, and it's the standard rethoric of most western societies. I don't see the CrossFit like dogma of "if it's not working just do more of it" as beneficial in this topic. I also don't like looking at a service like OF and only focusing on the extremes.
SecretDreams 2y ago
But the OP is right about the parasocial aspect. OF content and other such platforms is about the personalization aspect. Sure, there's some kinks/fetishes too.. but it is primarily about engagement. In some ways, it's just an explicit, subscription based, social media platform where it feels like you're being treated uniquely... But most times you are not.
- itishappy 2y ago
  How is that particularly different from, say, concerts? The social aspects are what drives value.
  - SecretDreams 2y ago
    It's the feeling of being more personalized. I see what you're saying about concerts, but it is not the same. Nobody is going to the concert thinking the musician is "talking to them" or making content specifically "for them".
    - itishappy 2y ago
      I think there's significant overlap in both. Most OF content is not personalized. It might be consumed solo, but it's produced for a wider distribution. On the concert side, I feel there's a similar situation where you can pay a little to get the same experience as everyone else, or you can pay a lot to get VIP passes and a personalized experience. Also, both situations are strongly dependent on the size of the fanbase. You're not going to get a personalized show from Taylor Swift or Bella Thorne, but smaller musicians and OF performers target that vibe exclusively.
    - tomhallett 2y ago
      Tom Petty said we were such a great crowd that we should all get on sail boat and go to Tahiti. Felt pretty personal to me. /s
    - HappMacDonald 2y ago
      I'unno every concert I've been to has included the band/singer replacing a placename randomly from the lyrics of one of their songs with the name of whatever town the concert was being held in. shrug
  - almatabata 2y ago
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  - flyingpenguin 2y ago
marcandre 2y ago
> it feels like you could have said the same towards people buying pricy concert tickets when there's royalty free music abundantly available. The analogy holds. Most people don't pay concert tickets for the music itself. It's the experience, the crowd, the physical presence of the artists, etc.
- wubrr 2y ago
  Yeah... if the main goal is to listen to the music - most concerts are a terrible way of doing that.
zpeti 2y ago
> Not knowing your life, it feels like you could have said the same towards people buying pricy concert tickets when there's royalty free music abundantly available. Wow, What a great analogy. That really is almost the same except not with music but sexual attraction.
nonethewiser 2y ago
You can think of it as content, but its parasocial none the less.
godelski 2y ago
> the content they're paying for really the same as you think is available for free, Btw, you misinterpreted the OP
not2b 2y ago
If OnlyFans is really paying 80% of gross to creators, it seems that any kind of "regular professional status" would be worse for them, at least for the top 10%.

ant_li0n 2y ago

> The first step to alleviate these specific situations could be to stop marginalizing this kind of content and give them a regular professional status, instead of systematicly pigeon hole it I dislike arguments made in this vein, it's sortof a way to intellectually dismiss someone's point without addressing it. I share the grandparent poster's concern. Parasocial relationships feed us in a certain way, but do not nourish. Don't get me wrong; I'd rather have OnlyFans than pimps. But that's not the point.

makeitdouble 2y ago
I'm not sure what's to address about parent's point, in that it's already a focus of law enforcement, there will be widely popular polical campaigns to gather people with these inclinations, and it's the standard rethoric of most western societies. I don't see the CrossFit like dogma of "if it's not working just do more of it" as beneficial in this topic. I also don't like looking at a service like OF and only focusing on the extremes.

SecretDreams 2y ago

But the OP is right about the parasocial aspect. OF content and other such platforms is about the personalization aspect. Sure, there's some kinks/fetishes too.. but it is primarily about engagement. In some ways, it's just an explicit, subscription based, social media platform where it feels like you're being treated uniquely... But most times you are not.

itishappy 2y ago
How is that particularly different from, say, concerts? The social aspects are what drives value.
- SecretDreams 2y ago
  It's the feeling of being more personalized. I see what you're saying about concerts, but it is not the same. Nobody is going to the concert thinking the musician is "talking to them" or making content specifically "for them".
  - itishappy 2y ago
    I think there's significant overlap in both. Most OF content is not personalized. It might be consumed solo, but it's produced for a wider distribution. On the concert side, I feel there's a similar situation where you can pay a little to get the same experience as everyone else, or you can pay a lot to get VIP passes and a personalized experience. Also, both situations are strongly dependent on the size of the fanbase. You're not going to get a personalized show from Taylor Swift or Bella Thorne, but smaller musicians and OF performers target that vibe exclusively.
  - tomhallett 2y ago
    Tom Petty said we were such a great crowd that we should all get on sail boat and go to Tahiti. Felt pretty personal to me. /s
  - HappMacDonald 2y ago
    I'unno every concert I've been to has included the band/singer replacing a placename randomly from the lyrics of one of their songs with the name of whatever town the concert was being held in. shrug
- almatabata 2y ago
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- flyingpenguin 2y ago

marcandre 2y ago

> it feels like you could have said the same towards people buying pricy concert tickets when there's royalty free music abundantly available. The analogy holds. Most people don't pay concert tickets for the music itself. It's the experience, the crowd, the physical presence of the artists, etc.

wubrr 2y ago
Yeah... if the main goal is to listen to the music - most concerts are a terrible way of doing that.

zpeti 2y ago

> Not knowing your life, it feels like you could have said the same towards people buying pricy concert tickets when there's royalty free music abundantly available. Wow, What a great analogy. That really is almost the same except not with music but sexual attraction.

nonethewiser 2y ago

You can think of it as content, but its parasocial none the less.

godelski 2y ago

> the content they're paying for really the same as you think is available for free, Btw, you misinterpreted the OP

not2b 2y ago

If OnlyFans is really paying 80% of gross to creators, it seems that any kind of "regular professional status" would be worse for them, at least for the top 10%.