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It’s interesting you mention “Nobody is textbook anatomy” I know you’re exaggerating for poetic effect but this might actually be true in some parts of the hu
by ViktorRay 2y ago
It’s interesting you mention
“Nobody is textbook anatomy”
I know you’re exaggerating for poetic effect but this might actually be true in some parts of the human anatomy.
For example the description of the anatomy of vessels and anastomoses around the knee…I have had a professor tell me that the standard anatomical descriptions for this might all essentially be fiction. Basically the variation in some of these vessels over there is so high that the standard anatomical textbook description might be wrong.
That being said maybe the professor was wrong. I don’t know. But it was an interesting thing to think about.
- devilbunny 2y agoNo, really: nobody has completely textbook anatomy. Think of it like those blended-face photos. Anatomy books describe that.
- cosignal 2y agoSome people wonder why the use of ‘AI’ in pathology is not more effective, and this is part of the reason.
- eagerpace 2y agoIt seems like exactly the kind of thing AI will be better at than humans. If just needs to be trained on the variations instead of the textbook.
- bitnasty 2y agoMy thought is the exact opposite. AI can handle predictable situations fine, but the 20% of situations which are unpredictable require a general intelligence that can understand context that current AI technology (or possibly any AI technology) just doesn’t possess. There will always be situations that training doesn’t cover.
- loa_in_ 2y agoThe other side is that AI can learn every last bit of information from all CT scans, operating room video recordings (and more) in the world with no rest or sleep, and with 100% diligence
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- mejutoco 2y agoSounds similar to symbolic reasoning (for example algebra) vs finding the most likely completion.
- rowanG077 2y agoHmm that is the opposite what I would have expected. Because there is so much variation an AI that has trained on an insane breadth of data should easily be able to outcompete a human on specialized tasks.
- lanstin 2y agoUnless that training on exceptions isn't quite enough to convey the principles needed to reason about the domain. I am sure for some problems it will amaze and for some it will not.
- mrexroad 2y agoI was being prepped for wrist/arm surgery years back and the anesthesiologist got a bit flummoxed and muttere, “huh, that’s strange… let’s get an ultrasound” while trying to administer a nerve block on my arm. I asked what and they ”oh, it’s nothing to worry about, but your nerve isn’t where it is supposed to be…”, and then knocked me out before I could ask anything else.
- devilbunny 2y agoThat’s why we use ultrasound on practically every block we do today.
- ProllyInfamous 2y agoWould you consider investing in becoming an imaging technologist in today's US healthcare market? IIRC, ultrasound is top of that payscale..?
- devilbunny 2y agoI honestly don’t know anything about that market. We don’t use sonographers because it’s interventional; I need to be able to control my own view very tightly.
- citboin 2y agoNuclear Medicine Technologists earn more.
- meroes 2y agoIs ultra sound that little monitor they/you look at while the needle thing is in your arm to apply the nerve block? That process a bit unnerving no pun intended. I thought maybe since my arm had been tweaked by being in a full arm cast for a month even with the screen they weren’t going to find it.
- devilbunny 2y agoYes. You can see the needle, see the tissues. Nerves sometimes aren’t visible right where you want to block them, but if you can see them headed in the right direction and then see the structures they are supposed to be (and usually, though not always, are) near, you can make good guesses and get results.
- Dalewyn 2y ago"The average man doesn't exist." -United States Air Force
- weregiraffe 2y agoThe median man does.
- VMG 2y agoand he is quite strange
- robotresearcher 2y agoOnly when there are an odd number of men. Roughly half the time the median man does not exist either.
- portn0y 2y agoGradients, spectrums, distributions; oh my
- koliber 2y agoGradients, spectrums and distributions describe the quantifiable diversity in humans. People have different heights, weights, eye colors, and other numerically measurable qualities. We’re exposed to this and it’s not surprising. What this thread is talking about is things like extra fingers, missing or extra nerves and muscles, and varying structural differences. I recently started learning a lot about the muscular and nervous system in the hip area. Even on Wikipedia you routinely read things like „this muscles is missing in x% of population”. It blew my mind that there is so much difference to our internal structure.
- lanstin 2y agoThe genetic code is basically configuring a generic vertebrate body; the same sort of variation we see between vertebrate species we can also see as developmental variation in a species.
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- burnte 2y ago> I know you’re exaggerating for poetic effect but this might actually be true in some parts of the human anatomy. I had an ingrown toenail fixed. There is a nerve that comes in and branches in two in the bug toe. In my toe it branches into three!
- ProllyInfamous 2y agoEven identical males twins don't have the same penis structure/routing. Thanks for sharing your own personal example (I am the twin, in mine). Another example is that of sciatia, which is much more prevalent when your sciatic nerve takes one particular path to get through the glutes. Other routed methods and sciatia is much less likely to be debilitating.
- waste_monk 2y ago>Even identical males twins don't have the same penis structure/routing. Thanks for sharing your own personal example (I am the twin, in mine). A form of biometric authentication, perhaps? Assume one has a spare CT scanner or some such thing, and doesn't mind discriminating against roughly half of the population.
- magicalhippo 2y ago> Even identical males twins don't have the same penis structure/routing. So that's the reason behind the dick pics. I thought it was just to show off, but it's for identification. Makes total sense now.
- fasa99 2y agothere are many interesting anatomic variants one interesting thing is the muscles that move our "grasp" - to cause our fingers to close or open. One muscle, with a "lead" per each finger. anatomic variant is sometimes these include the pinky, sometimes they dont. The pinky has its own set of muscles in either case. If you try moving your fingers you can see there's a bit more traction with the pinky isolation versus other fingers and thats why