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...running them safely tho?

by sova 2y ago

jrflowers 2y ago
No
- sova 2y ago
  What do you mean "No" ? I am asking if it's traversing red lights while they are otherwise safe to traverse (no lateral traffic). What's with this amazing pessimism infecting this forum lately.
  - CalRobert 2y ago
    So you have no lateral traffic and run over the person walking across the street?
    - teqsun 2y ago
      Is FSD running red lights with no lateral traffic and running people walking across the street over?
      - p51-remorse 2y ago
        Usually HN engineers are able to compartmentalize and correctly answer questions like this, but it’s a lost cause with Tesla for some reason. They’re unable to separate “it did a dangerous thing, but did not cause harm” in their minds. Yes, it has problems. Yes, it has regressions. Yes, sometimes it does dangerous things. But it drove me 400 miles, door to door, last week and did fine. There’s clearly something historic happening here, but all HN can talk about is flaws. If someone developed a warp drive, and 25% of the time it turned the operator into jelly, we wouldn’t sit here talking exclusively about jelly. We’d talk about how warp drive is cool and what the path to fixing stuff is. It’s really bizarre.
        jrflowers 2y ago
        This is a good point. HN posters have some difficulty looking at the objective reality of this situation, for example some are missing the obvious comparison to a completely unrelated sci-fi hypothetical that exists in your head.
        p51-remorse 2y ago
        Breaking my own rule only once: My car, that I own as a consumer, drove me through town, on the freeway, through another town, and into a parking lot four hundred miles away. Twenty years ago, that was sci-fi. HN would have been able to reason clearly about it twenty years ago. (Yes, I know HN wasn’t around in 2004. You don’t need to nitpick that)
        jrflowers 2y ago
        This is a thread about Teslas running red lights. Your story about a trip wherein that didn’t happen has no real bearing on this topic. Your nice trip aside, no sci-fi hypotheticals make running red lights acceptable either. “What if we invented a reverse microwave but it made everything smell like cheese?” or “What if we invented an interpretive dance that solved climate change but only people over 6’4” could do it?” have the same amount of relevance to Teslas running red lights as the human jelly machine you’ve conjured in your mind.
        JumpCrisscross 2y ago
        > If someone developed a warp drive, and 25% of the time it turned the operator into jelly, we wouldn’t sit here talking exclusively about jelly. We’d talk about how warp drive is cool and what the path to fixing stuff is What? Who? We'd ask why the hell people are being put in it. The hackers of yore, the ones we respect, weren't terrorists. When they phreaked the phone company they didn't try to take down 911. > did not cause harm Tesla's FSD has killed people [1]. It's also been the subject of multiple recalls by federal agencies. [1] https://www.tesladeaths.com https://www.tesladeaths.com
        2y ago
      - windowshopping 2y ago
        Yes
        p51-remorse 2y ago
        [citation-needed]
        wtfwhateven 2y ago
        What you're asking for was already linked in this thread ~30 minutes ago, at the very top. I doubt you didn't already see that.
    - jcgrillo 2y ago
      It doesn't even have to run over a pedestrian to be dangerous, such a move could very well lead to the driver being pulled over and extrajudicially executed by a trigger happy cop
  - lostemptations5 2y ago
    No
  - wtfwhateven 2y ago
    You asked whether or not the FSD ran the red lights safely. You were given the answer of "No". You never, at any point, asked whether or not "it's traversing red lights while they are otherwise safe to traverse (no lateral traffic)" which is a question that contradicts itself. If you ask a question, someone answers, and you start berating them because they were either not able to read your mind to determine what the actual question you're asking is or gave you an answer you did not like, then why ask the question? The article you posted a comment to shows a video of numerous instances of the FSD trying to run a red light when it is absolutely "not safe" to do so.
JumpCrisscross 2y ago
> running them safely tho? I'll grant safely jaywalking as a thing that can be done. Running a red light in a vehicle safely, no. Best case the signal is malfunctioning. But that's a classic situation in which an L3 car should ask for a human.

...running them safely tho?

by sova 2y ago

...running them safely tho?

jrflowers 2y ago

sova 2y ago
What do you mean "No" ? I am asking if it's traversing red lights while they are otherwise safe to traverse (no lateral traffic). What's with this amazing pessimism infecting this forum lately.
- CalRobert 2y ago
  So you have no lateral traffic and run over the person walking across the street?
  - teqsun 2y ago
    Is FSD running red lights with no lateral traffic and running people walking across the street over?
    - p51-remorse 2y ago
      Usually HN engineers are able to compartmentalize and correctly answer questions like this, but it’s a lost cause with Tesla for some reason. They’re unable to separate “it did a dangerous thing, but did not cause harm” in their minds. Yes, it has problems. Yes, it has regressions. Yes, sometimes it does dangerous things. But it drove me 400 miles, door to door, last week and did fine. There’s clearly something historic happening here, but all HN can talk about is flaws. If someone developed a warp drive, and 25% of the time it turned the operator into jelly, we wouldn’t sit here talking exclusively about jelly. We’d talk about how warp drive is cool and what the path to fixing stuff is. It’s really bizarre.
      - jrflowers 2y ago
        This is a good point. HN posters have some difficulty looking at the objective reality of this situation, for example some are missing the obvious comparison to a completely unrelated sci-fi hypothetical that exists in your head.
        p51-remorse 2y ago
        Breaking my own rule only once: My car, that I own as a consumer, drove me through town, on the freeway, through another town, and into a parking lot four hundred miles away. Twenty years ago, that was sci-fi. HN would have been able to reason clearly about it twenty years ago. (Yes, I know HN wasn’t around in 2004. You don’t need to nitpick that)
        jrflowers 2y ago
        This is a thread about Teslas running red lights. Your story about a trip wherein that didn’t happen has no real bearing on this topic. Your nice trip aside, no sci-fi hypotheticals make running red lights acceptable either. “What if we invented a reverse microwave but it made everything smell like cheese?” or “What if we invented an interpretive dance that solved climate change but only people over 6’4” could do it?” have the same amount of relevance to Teslas running red lights as the human jelly machine you’ve conjured in your mind.
      - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
        > If someone developed a warp drive, and 25% of the time it turned the operator into jelly, we wouldn’t sit here talking exclusively about jelly. We’d talk about how warp drive is cool and what the path to fixing stuff is What? Who? We'd ask why the hell people are being put in it. The hackers of yore, the ones we respect, weren't terrorists. When they phreaked the phone company they didn't try to take down 911. > did not cause harm Tesla's FSD has killed people [1]. It's also been the subject of multiple recalls by federal agencies. [1] https://www.tesladeaths.com https://www.tesladeaths.com
        2y ago
    - windowshopping 2y ago
      Yes
      - p51-remorse 2y ago
        [citation-needed]
        wtfwhateven 2y ago
        What you're asking for was already linked in this thread ~30 minutes ago, at the very top. I doubt you didn't already see that.
  - jcgrillo 2y ago
    It doesn't even have to run over a pedestrian to be dangerous, such a move could very well lead to the driver being pulled over and extrajudicially executed by a trigger happy cop
- lostemptations5 2y ago
  No
- wtfwhateven 2y ago
  You asked whether or not the FSD ran the red lights safely. You were given the answer of "No". You never, at any point, asked whether or not "it's traversing red lights while they are otherwise safe to traverse (no lateral traffic)" which is a question that contradicts itself. If you ask a question, someone answers, and you start berating them because they were either not able to read your mind to determine what the actual question you're asking is or gave you an answer you did not like, then why ask the question? The article you posted a comment to shows a video of numerous instances of the FSD trying to run a red light when it is absolutely "not safe" to do so.

JumpCrisscross 2y ago

> running them safely tho? I'll grant safely jaywalking as a thing that can be done. Running a red light in a vehicle safely, no. Best case the signal is malfunctioning. But that's a classic situation in which an L3 car should ask for a human.