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They produced a few fluffy documents in 2022 and then nothing happened. They repurposed the word milestone to mean agenda. It's just a list of events they're o

They produced a few fluffy documents in 2022 and then nothing happened. They repurposed the word milestone to mean agenda. It's just a list of events they're organizing. Because they have no actual milestones or goals.

n_ary 2y ago
It takes time to shape and convince people and form frameworks to move forward.
- nradov 2y ago
  When there is actual value in forming frameworks then the key stakeholders don't need to be convinced. They just get to work on writing and building.
- rblatz 2y ago
  It looks like an example of perfect being the enemy of good. So afraid to make any mistake that they end up saying and doing nothing.
nextos 2y ago
I've joined some large EU efforts in the past, and it's always like this. Lots of different parties involved focused on producing tons of absurd documents, and nothing else. Some have good intentions, but it doesn't matter. There's a great thread on X now discussing the same topic: "25 years ago each major US company had a German and/or French equivalent. Today equivalents of US tech giants are in China and Europe is on its way to become an open-air museum. What happened?" https://x.com/MichaelAArouet/status/1827588190342979934 https://x.com/MichaelAArouet/status/1827588190342979934 Some of the top replies: "Bureaucracy, Regulation, Aversion to Innovation, Green myth of degrowth etc happened" [...] Europe’s challenges are significant, but not insurmountable. To regain its edge, Europe will need to foster a more dynamic business environment, streamline regulations, and encourage risk-taking in its startup culture. Without these changes, Europe may continue to fall behind, watching as the U.S. and China shape the future of technology. The EU has a lot of talent, but it lacks good leadership and good priorities.
- manquer 2y ago
  Doesn’t feel like that looking at Airbus and Boeing .
  - signatoremo 2y ago
    Only if you ignore the A380 debacle, or the bloat that A400 is. And then there is this - [0] Boeing makes the comparison easy for Airbus. [0]- https://spacenews.com/airbus-takes-a-charge-of-nearly-1-billion-on-space-programs/ https://spacenews.com/airbus-takes-a-charge-of-nearly-1-bill...
    - manquer 2y ago
      OP is EU has become an open air museum and all the good companies are now either American or Chinese. > Boeing makes the comparison easy for Airbus. What else to compare against this claim ? Airbus is by no means perfect of course, but it is still miles ahead of the best the Americans or the Chinese have to offer in a very complex large scale industry. It is not just aerospace, even auto is still über competitive, European manufactures are on par or perhaps better than anything Ford and GM have to offer. I am sure Europeans can come with good examples for every bad one. The point it is easy to paint a narrative however reality is lot more complex and doesn't match with sweeping generalization .
      - disgruntledphd2 2y ago
        Tech companies are getting insanely large valuations (I work in tech, and I think they're absurd). Europe doesn't have many large public tech companies, therefore Europe looks bad in terms of the "industries of the future" Plus a bunch of angry USians really irritated by the anti-trust stuff the EU has been doing (DMA etc).
        yfontana 2y ago
        It's not even all tech either. Europe has some big players in silicon or biotech for example. It does however lack giants that introduced major disruptions in the way things are done, like cloud services, social networks, gig economy etc.
another2another 2y ago
Reminds me of a lot of the initiatives coming out of big companies. The grander the vision, the more vague they are, the more money and time they hoover up as people try to rephrase the initial vague aims in different ways. And, bless they even have an architecture document which does nothing to bring this blurry vision into focus. https://gaia-x.eu/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/Gaia-x-Architecture-Document-22.04-Release.pdf https://gaia-x.eu/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/Gaia-x-Architec...

n_ary 2y ago

It takes time to shape and convince people and form frameworks to move forward.

nradov 2y ago
When there is actual value in forming frameworks then the key stakeholders don't need to be convinced. They just get to work on writing and building.
rblatz 2y ago
It looks like an example of perfect being the enemy of good. So afraid to make any mistake that they end up saying and doing nothing.

nextos 2y ago

I've joined some large EU efforts in the past, and it's always like this. Lots of different parties involved focused on producing tons of absurd documents, and nothing else. Some have good intentions, but it doesn't matter. There's a great thread on X now discussing the same topic: "25 years ago each major US company had a German and/or French equivalent. Today equivalents of US tech giants are in China and Europe is on its way to become an open-air museum. What happened?" https://x.com/MichaelAArouet/status/1827588190342979934 https://x.com/MichaelAArouet/status/1827588190342979934 Some of the top replies: "Bureaucracy, Regulation, Aversion to Innovation, Green myth of degrowth etc happened" [...] Europe’s challenges are significant, but not insurmountable. To regain its edge, Europe will need to foster a more dynamic business environment, streamline regulations, and encourage risk-taking in its startup culture. Without these changes, Europe may continue to fall behind, watching as the U.S. and China shape the future of technology. The EU has a lot of talent, but it lacks good leadership and good priorities.

manquer 2y ago
Doesn’t feel like that looking at Airbus and Boeing .
- signatoremo 2y ago
  Only if you ignore the A380 debacle, or the bloat that A400 is. And then there is this - [0] Boeing makes the comparison easy for Airbus. [0]- https://spacenews.com/airbus-takes-a-charge-of-nearly-1-billion-on-space-programs/ https://spacenews.com/airbus-takes-a-charge-of-nearly-1-bill...
  - manquer 2y ago
    OP is EU has become an open air museum and all the good companies are now either American or Chinese. > Boeing makes the comparison easy for Airbus. What else to compare against this claim ? Airbus is by no means perfect of course, but it is still miles ahead of the best the Americans or the Chinese have to offer in a very complex large scale industry. It is not just aerospace, even auto is still über competitive, European manufactures are on par or perhaps better than anything Ford and GM have to offer. I am sure Europeans can come with good examples for every bad one. The point it is easy to paint a narrative however reality is lot more complex and doesn't match with sweeping generalization .
    - disgruntledphd2 2y ago
      Tech companies are getting insanely large valuations (I work in tech, and I think they're absurd). Europe doesn't have many large public tech companies, therefore Europe looks bad in terms of the "industries of the future" Plus a bunch of angry USians really irritated by the anti-trust stuff the EU has been doing (DMA etc).
      - yfontana 2y ago
        It's not even all tech either. Europe has some big players in silicon or biotech for example. It does however lack giants that introduced major disruptions in the way things are done, like cloud services, social networks, gig economy etc.

another2another 2y ago

Reminds me of a lot of the initiatives coming out of big companies. The grander the vision, the more vague they are, the more money and time they hoover up as people try to rephrase the initial vague aims in different ways. And, bless they even have an architecture document which does nothing to bring this blurry vision into focus. https://gaia-x.eu/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/Gaia-x-Architecture-Document-22.04-Release.pdf https://gaia-x.eu/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/Gaia-x-Architec...