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Wow, 5 years later and what have they actually accomplished? Look at the milestones section: https://gaia-x.eu/what-is-gaia-x/about-gaia-x/ https://gaia-x.eu/wh
by p1esk 2y ago
Wow, 5 years later and what have they actually accomplished? Look at the milestones section: https://gaia-x.eu/what-is-gaia-x/about-gaia-x/ https://gaia-x.eu/what-is-gaia-x/about-gaia-x/
- echelon 2y agoThis is too funny. What's to stop an American cloud hyperscaler from creating a "properly patriated" subsidiary that it simply licenses the tech to? Wouldn't that side step the "sovereign" protectionism? An American company would run circles around this mess.
- szszrk 2y agoThat's exactly what is going on nowadays, anyway. In Poland we have Chmura Krajowa (national cloud), aimed at public, non profit and finance companies. It's basically more controlled local Azure and GPC region.
- snowpid 2y agoIn Polish people don't use Cloud but Chmura?
- bartekpacia 2y agoIt depends. If we’re talking about e.g. GCP we use “cloud”, but Chmura Krajowa is a Polish product and it has a Polish name, so we use “chmura”. We basically use the original name in this context.
- snowpid 2y agoInteresting. In Germany government uses the word cloud . Not Wolke. TIL something new.
- szszrk 2y agoIt seems to me Germans in general like to use English phrases, but on the contrary from other European places I know, they like to use the original pronunciation and spelling. Us, Poles, like to make it sound like Polish, add our own declension and so on.
- szszrk 2y agoBoth, but chmura is a non-controvertial and easy translation.
- biztos 2y agoIn Hungarian the people I know use felhő and not cloud. I don’t know what they say in actual IT circles but to my ears “cloud” sounds very awkward if stuck in a Hungarian sentence. https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felh%C5%91alap%C3%BA_sz%C3%A1m%C3%ADt%C3%A1stechnika https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felh%C5%91alap%C3%BA_sz%C3%A1m...
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- progbits 2y agoGoogle is doing this. German and French companies are building a datacenter to GCP standards, will license the code and run essentially whitelabel GCP under full jurisdiction of the EU company. Google can only push updates with their approval and has no visibility into the operations. https://cloud.google.com/t-systems-sovereign-cloud?hl=en https://cloud.google.com/t-systems-sovereign-cloud?hl=en
- vasco 2y agoIsn't this how all the hyperscalers already run in China?
- alephnerd 2y agoYes. Though they increasingly own management as well. At this point Azure in China and AWS in China is a reskin around Tencent Cloud.
- trevyn 2y agoThis is actually quite funny. A sovereign cloud that they have no f-ing clue how to maintain without the mothership.
- progbits 2y agoThey get documentation and playbooks (which are pretty good), source code access, and of course direct channel to the "mothership" engineers for support. I'm sure early days will be painful but there is no reason for this not to work.
- trevyn 2y agoSure, as long as the mothership exists and is cooperative, it’s fine. But that’s not actually very sovereign, is it?
- haukem 2y agoDeutsche Telekom hosted Microsoft Office 365 for some years in Germany as a German cloud offering. I think this was the press release: https://www.telekom.com/de/medien/medieninformationen/detail/startschuss-fuer-vertrieb-der-microsoft-cloud-deutschland-487992 https://www.telekom.com/de/medien/medieninformationen/detail... This was a Microsoft 365 cloud hosted and operated by Deutsche Telekom in Germany. It was more expensive than the global version and had less features. It often took some years till new features were introduced. They stopped this offering some years ago, I think they did not get as many customers as they expected, most of the German customers used the global version.
- mns 2y agoOpen Telekom Cloud is a whitelabeled AWS, so they are still doing this, but with other technologies.
- haukem 2y agoThis press release from 2020 says Open Telekom Cloud is from Software and Hardware from Huawei. https://www.open-telekom-cloud.com/de/blog/vorteile/die-sichere-cloud-made-in-europe https://www.open-telekom-cloud.com/de/blog/vorteile/die-sich... Do you have any source that they switched to AWS?
- cyberpunk 2y agoI’ve used it, it’s a rebranded openstack, not aws.
- cyberax 2y ago> What's to stop an American cloud hyperscaler from creating a "properly patriated" subsidiary that it simply licenses the tech to? Nothing. Amazon already does that in China, their subsidiary licenses the tech and support services from the US company.
- mr_toad 2y agoThey might if there was a market for it. But who wants to pay a premium to be free of US influence? America hasn’t gone full-on Gilead yet.
- BlueTemplar 2y ago"Gilead" ?
- defrost 2y agoRepublic of Gilead - fictional future fundamentalist theocracy version of the USofA https://the-handmaids-tale.fandom.com/wiki/Republic_of_Gilead_(Novel) https://the-handmaids-tale.fandom.com/wiki/Republic_of_Gilea...
- ahoka 2y agoUnfortunately, every democracy is one election away from Gilead.
- donavanm 2y agoThe americans are already on this path https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/aws/in-the-works-aws-european-sovereign-cloud/ https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/aws/in-the-works-aws-european-s....
- PeterStuer 2y agoOr just plain old buy out any EU company that threathens to become successful with free reserve currency monopoly money.
- District5524 2y agoMaybe you are misunderstanding the gravity of this problem. Thanks to US Cloud Act and the Patriot Act and similar acts, there is no way any US citizen or any US company may EVER be involved in such projects. It's completely legal for the US to rely on extraterritorial jurisdiction leveraging any US companies and US citizens they have access to. But on the other hand, everyone else on out there will want to avoid that, so the only way to achieve that is to avoid involving any US citizens or companies for such sovereign projects. Google will not be able to solve it via subsidiaries, and no nice promises from Amazon, MS etc. will ever change it. Data sovereignity means all this. This will probably escalate a lot more, it might involve the financial infrastructure used (SWIFT) or even currency used in the process.
- scotty79 2y agoBut then they'd have to obey laws and pay taxes and who wants that.
- hn_throwaway_99 2y agoAs I get older and a little lazier, sometimes I think I might want to find a way to get a completely pointless job that gives me a paycheck where all I have to do is write documents that nobody ever reads. Then I look at something like this Gaia-X "milestones" list and think "Meh, this is probably not the job for me..."
- elric 2y agoI was involved in an EU funded software research project related to air quality [1] around ~2008. The bureaucracy was very real, we had to produce a boatload of paperwork (including a literal, on paper, printout of the source code, for some reason?). But aside from the weird paperwork overhead, we were fairly free in how we approached the project, and we got a lot of shit done. This was software R&D in the true sense. I don't know what happened to the project after I left, but I suspect the universities involved benefited from the research and some of it was probably spun off. That is to say: it's not all just paperwork and paychecks, it can be greatly rewarding work. [1] Strangely enough I was just talking about another aspect of air quality in another HN thread. Never noticed this was a theme in my life before.
- karaterobot 2y ago[raises hand] It's not so bad. Looooong lunches.
- macintux 2y agoAny suggestions on how to land such a role? I've had the last 48 hours off work, which I think is the longest stretch in the last month, but I'll be working this evening, and tomorrow, and tomorrow evening, and Tuesday, and Tuesday evening, and...
- p1esk 2y agoWork for government.
- karaterobot 2y ago
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- Rinzler89 2y agoN'uh-uh, we have Spotify, SAP and ASML. In your face US big-tech! /s
- dtquad 2y agoCountries like the US and China are not afraid to subsidize strategically important industries in regions with proven capabilities. Meanwhile the EU likes to waste resources on failed hopeless regions. For example the new investments into making EU independent on chip manufacturing is going to the failed hopeless eastern parts of Germany. I know East Germany had the strongest electronics industry in the former Eastern Bloc but nowadays it's a literal failed hopeless zombieland.
- reaperducer 2y agoCountries like the US and China are not afraid to subsidize strategically important industries in regions with proven capabilities. Meanwhile the EU likes to waste resources on failed hopeless regions. The U.S. has a long history of subsidizing industries in so-called "hopeless" regions. For example, putting the FBI fingerprinting office in Clarksburg, West Virginia. Doing things like that is how you keep "hopeless" regions from becoming even worse, and makes things better for the nation as a whole. You spend some money on jobs and opportunity, or you spend a lot more money on food subsidies and criminal justice. Are you a European "Union," or not? If you want every region to fight for resources, then you'd might as well go back to feudal times. Europeans on HN are always saying how it's the "civilized" continent. I don't see that in language like "hopeless zombieland."
- amadeuspagel 2y ago"Right now it's only a goal, but I think I can get the money to make it into an intention, and later turn it into an outcome." -- European Woody Allen
- arianvanp 2y agoThey produced a few fluffy documents in 2022 and then nothing happened. They repurposed the word milestone to mean agenda. It's just a list of events they're organizing. Because they have no actual milestones or goals.
- n_ary 2y agoIt takes time to shape and convince people and form frameworks to move forward.
- nradov 2y agoWhen there is actual value in forming frameworks then the key stakeholders don't need to be convinced. They just get to work on writing and building.
- rblatz 2y agoIt looks like an example of perfect being the enemy of good. So afraid to make any mistake that they end up saying and doing nothing.
- nextos 2y agoI've joined some large EU efforts in the past, and it's always like this. Lots of different parties involved focused on producing tons of absurd documents, and nothing else. Some have good intentions, but it doesn't matter. There's a great thread on X now discussing the same topic: "25 years ago each major US company had a German and/or French equivalent. Today equivalents of US tech giants are in China and Europe is on its way to become an open-air museum. What happened?" https://x.com/MichaelAArouet/status/1827588190342979934 https://x.com/MichaelAArouet/status/1827588190342979934 Some of the top replies: "Bureaucracy, Regulation, Aversion to Innovation, Green myth of degrowth etc happened" [...] Europe’s challenges are significant, but not insurmountable. To regain its edge, Europe will need to foster a more dynamic business environment, streamline regulations, and encourage risk-taking in its startup culture. Without these changes, Europe may continue to fall behind, watching as the U.S. and China shape the future of technology. The EU has a lot of talent, but it lacks good leadership and good priorities.
- 1xtrm0 2y ago[dead]