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Yea this is so gonna work with them paying 50-60k/pa for engineers. Seriously DACH mentality and influence has been devastating on serious tech development in E
by mathverse 2y ago
Yea this is so gonna work with them paying 50-60k/pa for engineers. Seriously DACH mentality and influence has been devastating on serious tech development in Europe
- maeil 2y ago> Schwarz Digits generated €1.9 billion in sales last year It's already working.
- isbvhodnvemrwvn 2y agoHow much of that is in sales to Schwarz group + SAP only?
- adamnemecek 2y agoI too have noticed this difference in mentality but I'd be curious to hear what do you think are the most salient differences.
- novagameco 2y agoWhat do you mean by DACH mentality?
- croisillon 2y agogerman speaking countries
- _nalply 2y agoNitpick: Luxemburg, Belgium (around Eupen), Italy (Tirol) and France (Alsace) are also German speaking countries. Historically, too: Poland, Czechia, Hungary and Romania, but German speaking communities have disappeared or are in massive decline. Disclaimer: this list of German speaking countries might be incomplete.
- croisillon 2y agoyou forgot Ibiza ;) "countries with a german speaking majority" might be more correct
- _nalply 2y agoIbiza doesn't count or all countries of the world would be English speaking.
- rad_gruchalski 2y agoAs a Polish person I have no idea how you can come out in public and state that Poland was ever a German speaking country.
- _nalply 2y agoDACH = Deutschland (D) - Austria (A) - Switzerland (CH) but DACH mentality? Perhaps hard-working like people in Germany, Austria and Switzerland? Or overengineering or being stubborn and old-fashioned?
- raverbashing 2y ago> Or overengineering or being stubborn and old-fashioned? Exactly this
- shortrounddev2 2y agoLow salaries to me indicates they believe it is a Germanic ideal to pay subpar wages for highly skilled engineers? I don't think it's a mentality thing, personally, I think it just speaks to the weakness of the European economy for the last 20ish years
- formerly_proven 2y agoHighly skilled engineers leave to places where they get their money's worth (i.e. not germany/eu).
- snowpid 2y agoThat shouldn't the USA as there are more people moving from there to Germany than vice versa.
- tormeh 2y agoDepends. If you want to live a good life you stay in the EU. If you have the will and ability to do great things professionally (not many do) then in most industries you need to move to the US to do it. There’s just not enough high-risk capital here for exciting projects to be done. I suspect comes from market size. Financiers won’t take high risk without high reward, and the reward is not here.
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- polotics 2y agoDACH would be: (D)eutschland (A)ustria (C)onfederatio (H)elvetica... This acronym manages to use three different languages, german for Deutschland, english for Austria (which is Österreich) and the latin name for Switzerland... Don't ask me, it is very dubious to use this DACH hodgepodge term here, as definitely mentalities are different: the state of IT is in no way identical between these three countries. Also, Dach stands for "roof" in German, I guess that's why they like it. maybe
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- petesergeant 2y agoThose are the EU plate letters for each fwiw
- rad_gruchalski 2y agoNot exactly. Only D and A. Switzerland is not in the EU (it's in the EEA but not EU) and doesn't have number plates following the EU design. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_registration_plates_of_Switzerland https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_registration_plates_of...
- petesergeant 2y agoOK fine, it’s the international plate code for Switzerland: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_vehicle_registration_code https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_vehicle_regist...
- peterpost2 2y agoWhat is Dach mentality? I've googled the definition but can't seem anything that fits in this context.
- intunderflow 2y agoGermany, Austria, Swiss (swiss-german) mentality In a nutshell: German speakers mentality
- shortrounddev2 2y agoBut I mean what is that mentality
- digiou 2y agoExtreme frugality and risk aversion, cash (and revenue) is the only KPI to success, digitalization = just make it a PDF and don't change the process thus any process is still equally slow.
- Aeolun 2y agoIs this why so many German companies expand to Japan :?
- jeffrallen 2y agoAs a french speaking Swiss I'm pretty biased, but I'd say it comes down to salary thriftiness to the detriment of innovation, practicality to the detriment of flexibility, and perfection to the detriment of velocity. If you happen to want your supplier to be slow, extremely reliable, and you don't mind paying for the high profit margin they expect to be able to extract, you'll be a perfect customer of a DACH-mentality company. There are hundreds of niche categories where they dominate the market, including machine tools, forging, factory automation, etc. But don't write off DACH: there are plenty of companies in DACH that run circles around their competitors by blending typically DACH traits with agility.
- morsch 2y ago> 50-60k/pa for engineers Is that, like, actual information, or just an educated guess based on some industry average.
- dathinab 2y agoit's definitely not industry average at least for jobs which often are referred to as engineers (through legally speaking are not as enginer is a protected title having little to do with software development) maybe for jobs of people which mainly idk. replace hardware in servers all day but don't really administrate the servers at all
- KeplerBoy 2y agoThat's definitely the kind of salary you'd be looking at after an undergraduate tech degree in Austria or secondary cities in Germany.
- eurg 2y agoCan confirm, and there are worse offers prevalent than this. However, that's industry average, I don't know about the specific companies in question.
- throwaway215234 2y ago> Seriously DACH mentality and influence has been devastating on serious tech development in Europe German corporations (and politics) are full of bean counters, bureaucrats and underachievers. It's filled with people who love to talk, excessively plan, draw flowcharts and build frameworks - essentially everything except getting shit done.
- lifestyleguru 2y agoGerman shit is done in Poland, Romania, and Belarus, and for less than 50-60k EUR pa.
- mathverse 2y agoNo longer true. 40-60k would be reasonable in those countries as well.
- lifestyleguru 2y agoYeah but don't count on more. Belarusians are quite desperate with current geopolitics, can easily push them below 40k.
- Numerlor 2y agoEh I'm in s similar country and around 30k for a more senior position is the normal
- antonkochubey 2y agoI'm in Latvia and senior developers are paid 60-90k here.
- majoe 2y agoFrom my experience this is true for big German corporations, but is it really different for big corporations from other countries? While I agree, that DACH mentality in big German corporations "has been devastating on serious tech development" at these companies, I don't see how this would affect the whole of Europe. It's an opportunity for other countries/companies to do better.