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IRS has a method of last resort to collect overdue taxes: Revoking your passport
- fred_is_fred 2y agoIf you owe $62k or more you should be solving that issue, not flying over seas anyway. I don’t really want to be subsidizing you anymore than I have to. And whether you think taxes are too high or not fair, they are what they are and most of us are paying them.
- coldtea 2y ago[flagged]
- fred_is_fred 2y agoLaws. Laws which we can change by electing someone else if you don’t like it.
- coldtea 2y agoJim Crow laws were also laws (among countless other examples or bad or inhuman or downright immoral laws). "It was the law" for such cases is just an excuse to tell a judge. Not an argument in favor of the morality and humanity of the person following it. Yes, one wont go to jail for following it. Is that how low you hang the bar?
- kaliqt 2y agoThat's not even remotely accurate, the majority of your tax dollars do not go to servicing your fellow man's lifestyle. This very thinking is what they want: where we blame each other for the trouble that they have caused.
- joezydeco 2y agoIIRC, green card holders had to have their taxes current for a long long time. In earlier time they even needed a stamp from the IRS to show border officials they were paid up.
- garyfirestorm 2y agoMeanwhile certain big names can find loopholes, never pay taxes, hide behind an LLC, throw some CFO under the bus, strike some deals and never have to remotely face anything like getting their passport revoked. These rules are only for commoners.
- gamblor956 2y agoName one.
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- coldtea 2y ago[flagged]
- searealist 2y agoDo you think a passport is important to most "commoners"?
- BXLE_1-1-BitIs1 2y agoEntering the US with a foreign passport and US birthplace can lead to a bunch of questions from US CBP as US citizens are required to reenter the US with a US passport (helps the IRS). A number of provisions in the US Immigration and Nationality Act, INA, whereby somebody born in the US could lose citizenship have been repealed or declared unconstitutional. Lost citizenship was not automatically restored when the INA was amended. You would have to apply for reinstatement. But the obligation and accounting fees to file tax and FATCA forms with the IRS are a major deterrent if you are living outside the US. I had a long conversation inside a border post on this topic until suspected consultation with higher-ups at the Port office clued in the local officers and they suddenly said "Have a good day!" without further explanation. Since then I've carried a copy of the State Department 7 FAM 1200 APPENDIX C, but haven't seen further CBP curiosity about my possible US citizenship; I suspect there is now a note in my file entry that I am not a US citizen.
- big-green-man 2y agoWhen you say "a bunch of questions", what kind of questions? How difficult is it? From my understanding the US can't deny entry to a citizen, passport or no. Can you he charged with a crime for trying to re enter at a port of entry with nothing but a US birth certificate?
- BXLE_1-1-BitIs1 2y agoI'm a Canadian citizen with a Canadian passport. My US citizenship lapsed over half a century ago under a now repealed provision of the INA. CBP officers today may not be cognizant of historic provisions of the INA.
- voxic11 2y agoUS citizens cannot be denied entry into the country even if they don't have a US passport. (They can be detained until their citizenship is verified though).
- h_tbob 2y agoBelieve it or not, taxes are not necessary for running a government. People thought you had to have a king. Then Thomas Paine wrote *Common Sense* explaining that life goes on fine without somebody ordering you around all day. Taxes can all be paid voluntary. Right now we think the only way is to use the old vestiges of force from times gone by… but in future years we will be appalled that people went to prison for any reason, let alone taxes. It’s important when thinking about government to realize that we are still in the toddler phase. Just learning how to not abuse it to hit the people we don’t like. Adulthood is when all government seeks the best for all citizens. But as it stands… pay your taxes lol!
- colejohnson66 2y ago> Taxes can all be paid voluntary. We (the US) tried that with the Articles of Confederation and it doesn’t work. So much so that the founders got together and threw it away in favor of the Constitution. Funding the government must be done by force for it to work.
- miles 2y ago> Funding the government must be done by force for it to work. Since the U.S. issues its own fiat currency, revenue isn't necessary to fund expenditures—the government can create new money as needed. Also, since the Constitution explicitly grants the power to issue and regulate money to Congress, it has long been argued that an independent central bank like the Federal Reserve is unconstitutional.
- prng2021 2y agoAre you saying the government should eliminate taxes and print $4.5T a year instead?
- para_parolu 2y agoIsn’t it already happening?
- Cody-99 2y agoYeah? Governments can revoke the passport of criminals. Not sure why that would surprise anyone haha
- kaliqt 2y agoYet they and their friends run free. No, I don't think calling a normal citizen a criminal is correct or just. Apply equally or not at all.
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- gandalfian 2y agoPresumably just the passport not the citizenship. Otherwise it might actually be welcomed by accidental Americans.