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Hot Page – a graphical site builder
- shahzaibmushtaq 2y agoI don't know if it's fair to say here that I don't like the name personally, and I think women would hesitate before putting their name in a subdomain.
- ax0ar 2y agoIt says you can use custom domains though.
- tourmalinetaco 2y ago“Hot” doesn’t always mean “sexy”. And one look at the actual website says that loud and clear. They’d definitely prefer hosting on say Neocities, but that’s more because Neocities has cats and is overall cuter in presentation.
- sfilmeyer 2y ago>They’d definitely prefer hosting on say Neocities, but that’s more because Neocities has cats and is overall cuter in presentation. At the risk of misunderstanding what you're saying, who is "They" in this?
- tourmalinetaco 2y agoWomen, as the GP was assuming that women wouldn’t want to host on a hot.page domain, so I then said they’d prefer Neocities.
- timnetworks 2y agoLots of people signed up with Hotmail.
- shahzaibmushtaq 2y agoExactly, Hotmail became Outlook.
- bahmboo 2y agoHotmail did ok with their name
- SoftTalker 2y agoReminded me of one of the early HTML editors, HoTMetaL.
- tonetheman 2y ago[dead]
- techinsiderpro 2y ago[flagged]
- toastau 2y agoLooks cool. If any staff are here, your discord server button in the footer has a bad URL (to a channel not a server). Got an invite code?
- WebBurnout 2y agoOh wow, thanks for flagging that. Unfortunately our discord is more of a want-to-be discord at this point. But please join! you will be able to chat with me and my cofounders at least https://discord.gg/uSwA2znH https://discord.gg/uSwA2znH
- WebBurnout 2y agoHere's the permanent link (I'm still learning Discord apparently): https://discord.gg/fdXY9dTFWg https://discord.gg/fdXY9dTFWg
- timnetworks 2y agoI am also a Tim and this is great. Geocities for Adults.
- alabhyajindal 2y agoVery cool! > Use The Hottest Code, Like Bootstrap Made me chuckle
- gitroom 2y agoLove the comic design!
- volkk 2y agoi'm truly obsessed with this design. who was the person that designed it?
- WebBurnout 2y agoThe great Carlos FAS https://x.com/itscarlosfas https://x.com/itscarlosfas
- iampims 2y agoNice work. The "about" link at the bottom of the home page links to https://hot.page/manifesto https://hot.page/manifesto which is 404 Not Found.
- WebBurnout 2y agoThanks for flagging!
- corytheboyd 2y agoI'm not sure if I did something wrong, but I can't load the editor anymore for this site I was getting started on just to see how it works: https://hotpage.dev/corytheboyd https://hotpage.dev/corytheboyd Get the "Wamp wamp An error has occured: Internal Server Error" popup. Love this idea, and the execution, so much though <3
- WebBurnout 2y agoThere was an issue yesterday evening that was causing 500 errors. My apologies to anyone who experienced this but it's been fixed now. Please try it again!
- system2 2y agoVery cute and congrats. The pricing is so high for what you are providing though. For a niche stuff like this maybe $1-2 max would be okay. WordPress is free, droplets are $2-5 with 20gb diskspace + 2TB bandwidth these days (with cpanel). I hope you can make money.
- azinman2 2y agoI’m starting to see this new aesthetic pop up. Anyone know how to define it, or where/why it came from?
- allodex 2y agoIt's known as Neubrutalism or Neo-Brutalism: Modern version of 1950s Brutalism. The idea is to be "brutally" raw and unedited (even though it takes great effort to make something look unedited) to convey a sense of authenticity. You may have also seen that style of "raw"/"unstyled" style reminiscent of the 50s-70s that's taking over modern fashion trends, for example with jeans and oversized t-shirt styling. A good article on Neubrutalism: https://www.designstudiouiux.com/blog/what-is-neubrutalism-web-design-trend/ https://www.designstudiouiux.com/blog/what-is-neubrutalism-w... Prior Hackernews post: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31106892 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31106892
- azinman2 2y agoSo helpful! thank you!
- AstroJetson 2y agoThanks so much or the early Saturday morning flashback to my Geocities page. Can you add a spinning “under construction” sign, those were my favorites.
- microflash 2y agoNot my project so can't change anything but I posted this because I got those Geocities vibes too :)
- WebBurnout 2y agoYou should have seen the previous home page: https://old.hot.page/ https://old.hot.page/ I really loved the idea of nodding to Web 1.0 but it was a little toooo clunky heh
- jsjohnst 2y agoWhere’s the AI? Feels like an obvious add-on for something like this. :)
- crimsoneer 2y agoMy god man, not everything needs AI.
- croes 2y agoAccording to MS it does.
- rchaud 2y agoOpenAI's biggest bagholder thinking AI is a universal hammer for every nail isn't surprising. Those O365 and Azure subscriptions aren't going to sell themselves.
- jsjohnst 2y ago> My god man, not everything needs AI. 1. This is a tongue in cheek website builder, something generative AI would be great at making images (Dalle, Imagen, MJ) and text (GPT4, Claude, Gemini, etc) for a product like this 2. Basically every website builder of substance has AI features now So maybe chill with the hyperbolic language? ;)
- rchaud 2y agoNo thanks. Leave that slop to Squarespace/Wix. Those are publicly traded companies that will happily add AI stock photo 'integrations' to pump their share price. There's nothing stopping anybody from using AI tools directly to generate images, and uploading them onto their site on this platform, if they want to.
- scopeh 2y agoHe does have a point though, not everything needs AI.
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- lovegrenoble 2y agoStrange but lovely design
- breck 2y ago[flagged]
- wildrhythms 2y agoLove the aesthetic they're using here. Reminds me of another project in this same vein https://mmm.page/ https://mmm.page/
- macsparrow 2y agoReally cool! Love the demo option to try it out instead of just signing up.
- spacebacon 2y agoGreat nostalgic design. You’ve built something nice here.
- ianred 2y agoThe pricing, bandwidth 5GB for $9 a month? This sounds unreasonably high
- cqqxo4zV46cp 2y agoThis…isn’t S3. Bandwidth is just part of how they’re segmenting.
- system2 2y agoI can get a WordPress-installed VPS with cPanel (or alternative, or a distro of my choice) for $4 with 20 TB bandwidth. IP6 for $3.9~ 5 GB is extremely small for what it is.
- fanfanfly 2y agoMight sharing the link to vps provider, please?
- system2 2y agohttps://us.ovhcloud.com/vps/ https://us.ovhcloud.com/vps/ https://www.hetzner.com/cloud/ https://www.hetzner.com/cloud/ OVH also has SoYouStart which is around $2 per month. I also remember getting yearly commitments and under $3 per month deals. You have to subscribe to their email blasts to get these deals but $3-4 per month is average for the industry. There is also Digital Ocean which is around $4 per month. I've been using them for over a decade. Not even one time down. Sometimes I see deals under $3 per month. https://www.digitalocean.com/pricing https://www.digitalocean.com/pricing
- tweetle_beetle 2y agoVPS (even with a super basic CMS ready set up) and managed web hosting with integrated editor are completely different products. If you want to make comparisons, look at WordPress.com, 1mb.site, Wix, etc.
- gigatree 2y agoThe creator’s Twitter looks sketchy - a couple months old, handful of ChatGPT posts, then this.
- dools 2y agoCould also just mean they're shit at social media
- WebBurnout 2y agothis (I know because they're my accounts)
- tecleandor 2y agoBeing a clone of Hotglue doesn't help either.
- WebBurnout 2y agoIt's sketchy because I don't really like social media heh. I only created these social accounts to promote Hot Page so that's why they are only a few months old. I somehow hoped my writing was better than ChatGPT. Now I kinda wish I had just used it -- that would have saved a lot of time!
- thenthenthen 2y agoInspired by Hotglue[1], the opensource content manipulation system thats also self-hostable (duh)? [1]https://hotglue.me/ https://hotglue.me/
- tecleandor 2y agoAh, you beat me to it. Looks like a closed source hotglue clone/saas/inspiration. They shouldn't have used that similar name if they're not related to the original project. Anyway, it's sad Hotglue hasn't seen development in the last years, some friends use it for their personal sites...
- badsectoracula 2y agoI don't think it is very similar. Personally i thought of HoTMeTaL, an old HTML/page editor that was popular for a little bit during the 90s and had a similar approach of showing the page in a visual quasi-WYSIWYG + quasi-element-tree mode.
- AstroJetson 2y agoWow, it's been a minute since I used HoTMeTal, I loved that editor. I cranked out a lot of HTML with it, once you got the hang of what it wanted you to do, it would be your best friend. We switched to Dreamweaver, of course that lasted until Adobe bought it. But thanks for the memory, this thread has been the Saturday treat.
- rchaud 2y agoHotglue was the first thing I thought of as well. Truly freeform web design that allowed for custom code and styles via editing the <head> section. Installation for the most part required nothing besides dropping a folder into a PHP-enabled web server. I wrote a blog post reviewing it a couple of months back: https://rafichaudhury.com/site/blog/Freehand-Web https://rafichaudhury.com/site/blog/Freehand-Web
- ch-rs 2y agoI read your post at the time and found it really inspiring! I've been working on my own Hotglue fork to hack in some of the features we were missing like draft pages and responsive "safe areas" like MMM.page.
- kamikazeturtles 2y agoThe landing page looks really nice! How does one create web pages like this without using a tool like the above? Would animating html elements with javascript be sufficient?
- talksnocode 2y agoYou can use CSS to style the pages that way with a combination of font, box-shadow offsets without blur and overriding the box-shadow using :hover pseudo selector (also adding a translation effect).
- dartharva 2y agoWhile checking this out I came across this site (https://alice.hot.page/ https://alice.hot.page/) in its showcase as one of the examples and legit spent five minutes reading Alice in Wonderland and I think I need to introspect how I spend my time a little..
- d0ugal 2y agoIt sounds like you went down the rabbit hole...
- kamikaz1k 2y agoThat down down down scroll affect was really cool, thanks for pointing to it
- chrisweekly 2y agoagreed!
- drewhk 2y agoThe email verification email itself does not show up properly in Fastmail for some reason. I had to switch to the text only view to get the actual link...
- WebBurnout 2y agoThanks for the feedback!
- ulrischa 2y agoI hope there will be an editor like Gutenberg for webcomponents. With the possibility to define all kinds of constraints (what components are allowed as subelements and so on)
- WebBurnout 2y agoHey, Hot Page is my project and that's pretty much where we're going with this. The idea is to use Web Components and real DOM instead of the "blocks" abstraction present in so many editors these days.
- potamic 2y agoIs web components available yet? I couldn't find anything around it in the editor.
- WebBurnout 2y agoHey, I'm Tim and I created Hot Page. This is a long-time side project that I'm now bootstrapping with the help of a couple of friends. The idea is to take the convenience of a drag-and-drop editor (Squarespace, Wix, etc), but never lose the connection to the basic building blocks of web pages: HTML elements, CSS rules, etc. The advent of Web Components makes this a really powerful model. Although I'm of course pleasantly surprised to see this on the front page of HN, I was planning on waiting a few months to post it myself because we are working on some ways to make the editor much more powerful. We have a long roadmap of new features like: * more ways to edit CSS properties visually (without losing the 1:1 connection to the CSS generated) * inline CSS (style attribute) editor for elements that let's you use :hover and media queries * a library of code "snippets" that lives in the left panel along side the basic elements * tighter integration with web components * integrating VS code language servers for accurate auto completion everywhere * and a whole lot more. I'm a long time lurker on HN and have long loved the community here. All of your thoughts and feedback are greatly appreciated, especially on our marketing because that is proving to be a real challenge. AMA edit: roadmap
- AstroJetson 2y agoWell since microflash has jumped ahead, let me also jump in. https://fx.hot.page/ https://fx.hot.page/ has some of the web components on it. While the slinky one is silly fun, the gallery one is very cool. Looks like it's light weight and easy to use. I was impressed by the annotated source code page where you explain in detail what is going on. While jumping, swirling, multicolored text is your mission, your forte is the documentation you've written. Nice job.
- WebBurnout 2y agoWow, this comment just made the last 7 months of long hours totally worth it. You have understood and distilled the essence of this project so accurately. This is my first time launching something like this, so it's just a great feeling to know there are people on the other side of the screen who are getting it.
- spankalee 2y ago
- tambourine_man 2y agoI’m glad the weird-flashy trend is back. We’ve been on the clean/flat design land for too long. Even if we’re more self ware now and a bit a cynicism and self-deprecation is inevitable, but that’s postmodernism for you.
- crowdstriker 2y agoYou have absolutely no clue what you're talking about.
- tambourine_man 2y agoPlease enlighten us with your wisdom, then.
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- susam 2y agoLooks quite nice! Oddly enough, it transported me back nearly 20 years to my student days. I didn't have the money to buy domain names but I wanted to set up a few websites on the World Wide Web! My search for free hosting led me to Geocities. However, websites there were hosted under paths like geocities.com/foo, rather than the subdomain format I wanted (foo.geocities.com). Eventually, I discovered 20m.com, which as the name indicates, offered 20 MB of free hosting space. The best part was that it allowed me to publish my website under a subdomain. Remarkably, one of the sites I created back then is still up and running: http://encoders.20m.com/ http://encoders.20m.com/ (Please don't judge the content though. I was young, naive and I was just messing with the Web!)
- davchana 2y agoSimilar story of me in 2002. Although I didn't come across geocities, and directly found freeservers.com & made a site davinder.8m.net , which is still up. I lost its password from 2007 to 2022, and recovered it back when I recovered my yahoo email account.
- fsto 2y agoLove the design and your way of communicating!! You just made me a fan of you and your product. My personal flow to love your product was: 1. I was intrigued to click this HN due to an initial feeling of the product must be more interesting than the HN title due to all the attention, so let’s check it out. 2. Once on the site I was feeling “finally someone who dares not having consensus driven design”. So please keep on daring!! 3. I thought “I know people who would love this design”. 4. Being a person often being asked to build friends’ sites and way to often having to say no due to: the time it takes, the inflexibility and the price for running with your own domain being annoyingly high for a small business, I started looking for answers on your landing page. You seem to be offering just that! As a dev I can do things quick, that look good and don’t cost a lot. 5. I started reading the this HN thread and was amazed by how genuine and down to earth you seem. All in all you just got a big fan in me. I’ll try out the prodigy, have patience with its imperfections and if you keep on communicating with the people signing up in a similar fashion to this HN thread, I think you’ll have a big amount to fans eager to push you and your product forward.
- WebBurnout 2y agoWow, thanks! I've basically been building this in a silo so it's very nice to get such enthusiastic feedback. I am really dedicated to bootstrapping Hot Page with my own resources so that no one can pressure me to make the design more generic or somehow exploit the customers. Of course, it has not been easy doing all the programming and most of the marketing myself though. Right now we really need customers like yourself who are willing to use the beta version and provide feedback -- so thanks so much for your support!
- Dxtros 2y agoi’ve been looking for something just like this to make my website. I’m a graphic designer with light coding experience and this looks perfect. I would love to see a way to self host this as that is the only thing holding me back from using it.