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A symbol for the Fediverse
- redog 2y agoNah, that's the sarcasterisk and should replace /s in modern communication.
- DonHopkins 2y agoIt also means three pointer dereferences in C++.
- ale42 2y agoLooking forward to write such code: ⁂data = 42;
- actionfromafar 2y ago(⁂^3)data = 42;
- actionfromafar 2y ago: droooop droop droop ;
- DonHopkins 2y agoOr the PostScript equivalent: /poop { pop pop } def % number two /pooop { poop pop } def % number three /poooop { poop poop } def % number four Inspired by graaand tradition of Lisp: http://clhs.lisp.se/Body/f_car_c.htm http://clhs.lisp.se/Body/f_car_c.htm
- account42 2y agoPlease submit a proposal for this.
- DonHopkins 2y agoOnce Bjarne Stroustrup's "Generalizing Overloading for C++2000" proposal is accepted, they won't be able to say no to moving beyond the PDP-11 instruction set and directly supporting tri-dereferences. https://www.stroustrup.com/whitespace98.pdf https://www.stroustrup.com/whitespace98.pdf >Instead, it was decided to by default limit identifiers to a single character: int xy; // error: two-character identifier >This may seems Draconian at first. However, since we now have the full Unicode character set available, we don't actually need hard-to-read long names. Such long names only make code obscure by causing unpleasantly long lines and unnatural line breaks. Multi-character names are a relic of languages that relied heavily on global name and encouraged overly-large scopes.
- tsimionescu 2y agoOnly acceptable if you can also spell it "cdddar".
- emmet 2y agoHonestly explicit sarcasm indication should just die out entirely. Might as well be writing it longhand as "Just in case you missed it, this is a joke haha." every time you tell a joke.
- bmacho 2y agoThis reasoning is nonsensical. There is nothing to refute in it, but, just to prove it wrong: sarcasm is commonly denoted in spoken English by intonation.
- emmet 2y agoAnd as we all know, it is impossible to imply tone in written text.
- medstrom 2y agoExactly, it is the illusion of transparency. Have someone read something you've written out loud, you'd be surprised how often they use a different tone than you had in mind. Add to that a variety of cultures and backgrounds.
- quietbritishjim 2y agoThe comment you're replying to was being sarcastic. (I'm not sure about you!)
- incognito124 2y agoIronically, proving the (wrong) point
- medstrom 2y agoYes, I read it that way too. Which meant that they were under the impression that it is easy to infer tone, so I replied with a serious explanation why it may not be.
- CM30 2y agoThis doesn't really scream 'Fediverse' for me. My first thought was some sort of rank, like in certain video games and military organisations (like how Mario Kart Wii uses it for 3 stars in Grand Prix mode).
- emmet 2y agoNot sure why Fediverse needs a symbol but it looks great.
- quicklime 2y agoI hate to say this but it looks like a group of snowflakes.
- kome 2y agoahah, i didn't saw it before, but now i cannot unseen. also, very very fitting.
- DonHopkins 2y agoI see three cannabis leaves.
- 082349872349872 2y agoBut those asterisks are (at least in my font) all identical? I'd argue that a better representation (unfortunately it's not in unicode [yet?]) of independent servers would be Figure 3.8 "Atoms of different species in a single box": https://archive.org/details/kittel-thermal-physics.-80/page/75/mode/1up https://archive.org/details/kittel-thermal-physics.-80/page/...
- oynqr 2y agoThat just makes it funnier.
- GrantMoyer 2y agoHaha, very funny, but in all seriousness, "⁂" is actually a rare dinkus.
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- starkparker 2y agoyes, per NOAA: https://www.wpc.ncep.noaa.gov/html/stationplot.shtml https://www.wpc.ncep.noaa.gov/html/stationplot.shtml
- TiredOfLife 2y agoFediverse is essentially like the old Microsoft organization chart. So the symbol needs either guns or at least division lines. https://bonkersworld.net/organizational-charts https://bonkersworld.net/organizational-charts
- account42 2y agoUnfortunately true.
- 01HNNWZ0MV43FF 2y agoWhere's the hierarchy?
- minikomi 2y agoマックロクロスケ
- card_zero 2y ago(Miyazaki soot sprites) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susuwatari https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susuwatari
- githubprjct 2y ago[flagged]
- snickerbockers 2y agoNobody will ever use this unless it miraculously becomes a standard symbol on keyboards.
- account42 2y agoI think this proposal is silly but come on, no keyboard has a twitter icon either.
- card_zero 2y agoX?
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- red_trumpet 2y agoNo, blackboard bold X [1]. Unfortunately HN doesn't allow it... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackboard_bold https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackboard_bold
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- snickerbockers 2y agoyeah and that's why you wrote out "twitter" instead of using some creative sequence of unicode characters to describe a blue bird visually in your post implying that people tend to do so.
- Bjartr 2y agoOr if editors swap ***, :fediverse:, etc. for it automatically. There's no* emoji keyboards, but people use emoji all the time. * Well, there is, but there isn't a widely available consumer product https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AtBE9BOvvk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AtBE9BOvvk
- tokai 2y agoI don't get the need for this. What is the use for a 'logo' that can be copy-pasted into text? If you write text you can just use the name - fediverse. Its like they get the worst of both worlds; a bad logo that is not even theirs but is an unicode character. And a shitty way of writing their name that makes it incomprehensible to outsiders.
- glenstein 2y agoSetting aside the logo itself, where I'm not sure how I feel about it yet or whether there's a need for it, you're losing me with this point about Unicode. The rationale for having symbols I feel is so self-evident it shouldn't need any explanation. You know the save icon, you know the power button, you know the Twitter, well, X logo. You probably know the 'share' icon. I don't know if anyone's going to buy that it's bad to have a simple universal icon closely associated with a specific thing that we want widely known. And Unicode has an advantage over images of being, in a sense, more universal and more accessible.
- tokai 2y agoRegardless of the unicode issue (some trademark lawyers are going to make a lot of money from this one day), its not more accessible at all. It hides any information behind prior knowledge about the fedi-use of the symbol. It's even very hard to look it up, if you see in print or on a device you are not controlling so you can't copy-paste the symbol for lookup.
- tarball 2y agoYou know all those icons because someone, some industry or some culture imposed it to you. Nothing is self-evident. We are constantly learning new symbols to be able to share graphic languages with other persons or interfaces.
- Retr0id 2y agoYou don't even need to write out fediverse, "fedi" is broadly recognized as an abbreviation.
- yawgmoth 2y agoArguably @ is a Fedi symbol already. Adding the domain is generally all it takes.
- glenstein 2y agoThe one bummer I have about Mastodon is that it takes what used to be a kind of sort of meaningfully understood usage of @ and turns it into scrambled eggs with @user@instance.social for it's usage in use names. It's the one place where I would begrudgingly acknowledge that blue sky has a compelling rationale. And yes I'm aware that Mastodon omits the second @ for users on the same server, it's a imperfect compromise that sometimes helps but largely leaves the problem unresolved.
- krapp 2y agoArguably, the fediverse got it from Twitter, and Twitter got it from the syntax of email addresses, which came from Unix user@domain account signifiers
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- switch007 2y agoThe previous icon (the pentagram) was better because the things were actually connected. The new one has 3 disconnected stars.
- appplication 2y agoDoes also feel weird to optimize around a text symbol over a logo that can have deliberate design or iteration.
- kylebenzle 2y agoThe fediverse is also very disconnected.
- switch007 2y agoOh ok FTA > The need for a symbol > > Thanks to the interconnected nature of the fediverse...
- neilv 2y agoElon Musk: "For maximum confusion, I'm renaming Twitter to X." Fediverse: "Hold my beer." Every time I try to suggest someone use the Fediverse, I have to say about 2 sentences just to name the thing I'm talking about, which they're more likely to know as "Mastodon". I don't see how pulling a "the artist formerly known as Prince" will help this branding problem, rather than hurt further. Advocating this logo-in-text for branding is as confusing to me as the people who keep self-destructively saying "free software", to mean a very important and huge distinction from what every reasonable person assumes that "free software" means. It seems less like evangelism, and more like exclusionary -- a small in-group shibboleth, or secret handshake.
- 01HNNWZ0MV43FF 2y agoIt's not a company, nobody leads it This is sort of like meeting one vegan protester and deciding you won't eat any vegetable because you didn't like them
- neilv 2y ago> This is sort of like meeting one vegan protester and deciding you won't eat any vegetable because you didn't like them So I'm saying "Don't listen to that one vegan protestor who is kicking that puppy, because the effect will be that even fewer people will eat their vegetables." In any case, everyone in the nebulous Fediverse who doesn't want to remain only a fringe-iverse, would do well to collectively decide upon and use a viable name that outsiders will see.
- krapp 2y agoI think this symbol is kind of pointless and I doubt anyone is going to use it "like the Prince symbol," so I don't think this is really even an issue. That said, there's nothing wrong with being fringe, or preferring slow growth. After all, Hacker News' entire design ethos and cultural imperative is keeping Eternal September at bay by aggressively gatekeeping against the unwashed hordes of normies and Redditors and moderating against anything "true hackers" shouldn't find interesting. I don't want the masses to ruin the Fediverse the way they ruined everything else. I don't want influencers, marketers, grifters, shills, stooges, incels, nazis, predators and bots proliferating into every online space like cockroaches. I don't want the Fediverse to be captured and transformed into a Skinner box of endorphine-dripping two minutes hate struggle sessions, misinformation, propaganda, viral marketing and vapid memes. Most people coming to the Fediverse are explicitly doing so to escape all of that.
- solarkraft 2y agoI don’t hate it, but I also like the ActivityPub logo. > However, its design is a little too complex to be used at small sizes, as you would in text or in a button. I somewhat disagree and would say this applies equally to the asterism logo. > It’s also only available in image form, not as a typographical character. That’s typical for logos and usually indicates that they’re unique.
- tarball 2y agoThat’s the point. ⁂ is not a logo because the fediverse is neither a brand nor a product.
- isodev 2y agoWho is the "we" behind this fediverse.info? They seem to be missing a couple of server flavours in the post. I can't tell if it's serious or sarcasm.
- tarball 2y agohttps://codeberg.org/fediverse-symbol/fediverse-symbol#readme https://codeberg.org/fediverse-symbol/fediverse-symbol#readm...
- singularity2001 2y ago𒀯
- illuminant 2y agoIt is grounds for unification. Listen to you discontents squabble. The stakeholders are happy to agreeably own your infrastructure. ⁂ looks like something that can propagate competitively in minds amid the established social norms.
- kebokyo 2y agoAre you trying to argue that this logo feels too corporate, like Meta’s logo?
- illuminant 2y agoI'm trying to argue BEHOLD! <<ICONIC>>
- 3np 2y agoThe pentagram is fine enough to not be replaced by... this.
- 01HNNWZ0MV43FF 2y agoA symbol for Asana
- indigo0086 2y agoPreviously: the pentagram and a meta logo... Really good choices guys. This is lame BTW. I feel this was kicked off by someone that made a bad arm tattoo choice and needs it to happen to justify it
- Tepix 2y agoI like it. I hope we can soon use it on HN, too. ⁂ Edit: seems to work alread, nice
- Teknomancer 2y agoIt's Unicode... Of course it works.
- akomtu 2y agoI'd use of of these dodecahedron projections to represent a network of equal nodes on the planetary sphere: https://images.fineartamerica.com/images/artworkimages/mediumlarge/1/dodecahedron-and-icosahedron-projections-sacred-geometry-school.jpg https://images.fineartamerica.com/images/artworkimages/mediu...
- EricRiese 2y agoSo is the proposal to write handles as username⁂hostname ? Or ⁂username⁂hostname ?
- nineteen999 2y agoHow very web 1.9
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- ezekg 2y agoReminds me of Splinter Cell. I do like it though.