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I don't understand the completely unnecessary cynicism in this comment. Do you really believe that everyone working in maternity wards in hospitals cares absol
by munificent 2y ago
I don't understand the completely unnecessary cynicism in this comment.
Do you really believe that everyone working in maternity wards in hospitals cares absolutely nothing about babies?
- iamthepieman 2y agoBut your not being taken care of by a person. Your being taken care of by the system. The nice nurse goes home in 3 hours, the nice doctor has 9 other patients. The secretary relies on the information in The computer. The people may very well care a lot. The system does not.
- elgenie 2y agoChecklists have been demonstrated to improve care quality because when it's the not-so-nice nurse that's on shift, and the doctor's been awake for 60 hours straight, the stuff that's on the checklist still gets done.
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- cqqxo4zV46cp 2y ago“It’s the corporations, mahn!”
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- cwillu 2y agoOne can be forced to mindlessly perform ridiculously constricting duties that have everything to do with limiting liability and nothing to do with outcomes, while also caring about babies.
- lupusreal 2y agoHave you seen the itemized bills for giving birth in an American hospital? They'll even try to mutilate an infant boy and charge you for it unless you emphatically opt out.
- Der_Einzige 2y agoI want to see the criminals in the medical ethics community who ever greenlit this nonsense to have justice served upon them. Europeans would jail American doctors for what they do to babies here.
- prmoustache 2y agoare you talking about circumcision? Do they do that automatically to all newborns?
- mensetmanusman 2y agoIt is not automatic, but it is default behavior.
- lupusreal 2y agoThey'll schedule it by default and often argue with parents who try to cancel it. It's about money for the hospital and they don't care about the suffering it causes, nor the completely unnecessary financial burden it places on young families. For them to be so soulless when it concerns infants, you can be sure they aren't any better when they're just dealing with adults. Greedy psychopaths are overrepresented in the medical industry.
- unbrice 2y agoRe: Understanding the cynicism: For example it is intriguing that they insisted on using a wheelchair to get in the car, but not to get out. But what's even more revealing is that the child had to be in a car seat while on his mother's lap.
- CoastalCoder 2y agoThere are some circumstances where people don't realize they can just say "no". I suspect this is one such case.
- lolinder 2y agoThey didn't say that, they said the checklist is there for liability reasons and not for genuine care reasons. The "won't let mom walk to the door" thing is a great microcosm of that—it's a blanket policy applied to all mothers regardless of need. My wife had our youngest at home but we had to take her to the hospital afterward because her lungs were a little sticky and she needed a respirator for ~4 hours. I took our daughter in and my wife followed a few hours later, walking all the way into the hospital. The NICU wouldn't discharge us for two days (which is a whole liability > care story of its own), but when they finally did they insisted that my wife—who had had the baby at home and driven to and walked into the hospital while mere hours postpartum—needed to be in a wheelchair to the curb. We liked that shift of nurses, they clearly cared, but no one in that room looked at my wife standing by the warmer and thought "she needs a wheelchair". They had a checklist and they were going to be darn sure they followed it.
- beaglesss 2y agoYou can always refuse. They can't kidnap you or the baby if for whatever reason you don't want a wheelchair, and it's almost always illegal to block the exits without a court order or documented altered mental status.
- lolinder 2y agoAfter 48 hours of putting up with hospital rules in order to avoid an AMA discharge, we were just happy to be done. They certainly didn't frame it as optional, and it wasn't worth the fight.
- secstate 2y agoI appreciate your willingness to push for your rights here. But the situation is surprisingly similar to refusing to let a cop search your trunk. You can say no, but that K-9 unit is going to take four hours to get there from the station 20 minutes away. They will make your life hell. I've definitely been in hospital situations with my children where I was honestly afraid (perceived or real threat, I still don't know) that they were going to report me for child abuse if I took my kids home and refused care. People with authority are kinda scary, and while I love for us to all choose rights over security, sometimes I just don't want to have to fight for everything. And this is where police states evolve from.
- Flop7331 2y agoEveryone in maternity wards is underpaid and overworked, and the checklist is there and rigorously followed so we don't have mothers with c-sections tearing open on the way out because no one brought a wheelchair.
- Dylan16807 2y agoI don't understand that one very much. If walking is going to tear them open, isn't it better to have that happen at the hospital instead of half an hour later at home? I don't think much healing is going to happen in between. Is the risk sufficiently on a per-step basis to make that worth it?
- Der_Einzige 2y agoIs go further and say that all doctors who work in those wards and perform male genital mutilation must hate babies, otherwise I have no explanation for how they can ignore the fact that their European peers would throw most American doctors in jail for the things they do to newborns.