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> Isn't it wiser to stop at some point, and find other stuff to do, even if all your nerves say otherwise? The problem is that government doesn’t have a line,
by oceanplexian 2y ago
> Isn't it wiser to stop at some point, and find other stuff to do, even if all your nerves say otherwise?
The problem is that government doesn’t have a line, that line is defined by the resistance it faces. Today it might be people sharing MP3s, tomorrow they will come after you for hosting a parody of mickey mouse. 10 years from now they’ll be busting down doors for sharing illegal memes (Seems to already be the case in the UK).
Sitting by passively and praying that the system will come to its senses is a fool’s errand. Copyright holders, the government, and powerful interests are entities that have no problem playing dirty.
- brownvshemmin 2y ago[flagged]
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- philistine 2y ago> (Seems to already be the case in the UK) [Citation needed]
- Takennickname 2y agoI googled it and found it.
- itohihiyt 2y agoI googled and didn't. So citation needed.
- katbyte 2y ago… and you didn’t see a need to share it here?
- Takennickname 2y agoNo. I was showing the person who claims it's not real that I can search for it. Teach a man to fish and all that.
- katbyte 2y agoExcept you’ve not nor achieved your goal of proving it’s not real
- Takennickname 2y agoWho said that was my goal? Literally explained my goal in the second sentence of my reply to you.
- ziggyzecat 2y agoit would have been efficient to share what you found! please do, if you find time to spare.
- DonHopkins 2y agoI don't believe you, since you didn't bother to actually post what you found, when you directly responded to someone asking for a citation. Your comment is less than useful, and completely untrustworthy.
- Takennickname 2y agoYou don't have to believe me. I didn't post it because he (and you) can search for yourselves. Literally first result for "uk illegal meme".
- hnlmorg 2y agoIt’s a pity you’re being downvoted because this is a very reasonable request. I too would love to know the story behind that claim because, having lived in the UK for a good number of years, I’d guarantee there would be more going on than simply just what the GP suggested.
- x-yl 2y agoI take it it's in reference to the convictions of those inciting violence on social media following the recent far-right riots in England. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/aug/09/two-men-jailed-for-social-media-posts-that-stirred-up-far-right-violence https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/aug/09/two... I suppose in a way advocating for arson and hate crimes is an "illegal meme"..
- TomWhitwell 2y agoThis is what an illegal meme looks like: "Tyler Kay, 26, wrote a post... calling for hotels housing asylum seekers to be set alight. He responded to several comments posted by others following his post, adding that it was “100% the plan”. Kay also reposted... another message inciting action against a named immigration solicitors in Northampton" https://www.cps.gov.uk/cps/news/man-jailed-just-two-days-after-posting-online-during-public-disorder https://www.cps.gov.uk/cps/news/man-jailed-just-two-days-aft...
- hnlmorg 2y agoI think we are stretching the definition of a meme here. This was original content orchestrating attacks. Not some repost of a joke (however bad taste it might be). At which point is the boundary between meme and instigator?
- rustcleaner 2y ago>that line is defined by the resistance it faces THIS is why the Second Amendment. It's easy to revenge-kill a crazy, it's harder to revenge-kill a government. Keep your governments small and your crazies armed!
- fnordian_slip 2y agoI've never understood that sentiment. The US has the second amendment, and it doesn't seem to do much for personal freedom there. Europe does not, and I feel a lot more free in most European countries than I do in the US, especially when it comes to encounters with representatives of the state (LEOs).
- andybak 2y agoI can imagine an alternate reality where the second amendment has the benefits often ascribed to it, but it would be very different to the one we live in.
- hgfhfdg 2y agoThere was a twitter thread where someone from Russia said he was beaten up by police in Netherlands during a peaceful protest. He was accused of attending the wrong protest by twitter Europhiles. Now, something tells me it's easy to feel safe when you conform.
- GJim 2y ago[flagged]
- poincaredisk 2y agoSad to hear that. Was that completely peaceful pretest? Why was police even involved then? For a record, I was never beaten up by a police officer, and I've attended all kinds of "wrong" protests (what is the right protest anyway). Do you have a source? There's plenty of disinformation on the internet, and I'm curious to learn what has happened.
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- rustcleaner 2y agoTo add: you know with the stable-diffusion function, there are ranges of vectors whereby technically just conjuring them is 15 years federal and possessing them is 5 each. That is 20-25% of a lifetime in one, 7.5% in the other! You know how nuts that sounds to me as a mathematician?!
- liamwire 2y agoIt’s not nuts when you stop being intentionally obtuse and speak plainly: yes, child abuse material can be represented by a variety of mathematical means, but it’s abhorrent nature makes it morally correct for those laws to exist.
- jenadine 2y agoNo child is being abused when someone play with weights on a model. "Abhorrent nature" is very subjective and relative.
- MrDrMcCoy 2y agoFor a multitude of reasons, both are evil and should be illegal. However, I do think they are significantly different severities of crime, and ought to be treated as such. Same for sex offenders; streaking should not be punished the same way as rape.
- MichaelZuo 2y agoWriting down 1’s and 0’s in certain permutations, is ‘evil’ and ‘should be illegal’? There’s also a limit to going too far in connecting abstractions.
- batch12 2y ago> Writing down 1’s and 0’s in certain permutations, is ‘evil’ and ‘should be illegal? I think the parent was making the point that creating and distributing simulated child pornography should be. The medium that is used to reproduce the image is irrelevant. Real digital images are also made of 1s and 0s.
- sam345 2y agoMp3s were yesterday literally long time ago. Parody is always legal. And Mickey mouse by the way is way past copyright. Don't you know at least the original.
- qzx_pierri 2y ago>Mp3s were yesterday literally long time ago Since when? Some people keep local copies of their media. Censorship and arbitrary license disputes can have streaming content snatched away at any moment.
- can16358p 2y agoI swim and my swimming headsets can only play MP3 as Bluetooth doesn't work at water. Tell me a legal streaming service that I can use while swimming and I'd consider using it. Until then, I'll stick to my MP3.
- missedthecue 2y agoWith Youtube Music you can download playlists. I have over 300 songs downloaded and they can play offline.
- allarm 2y ago> Mp3s were yesterday literally long time ago And what do you think people use now to store their music offline?
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- ranger_danger 2y ago> Sitting by passively and praying Curious what you have done instead?
- fsflover 2y agoSupport https://eff.org https://eff.org?
- PaulRobinson 2y ago> 10 years from now they’ll be busting down doors for sharing illegal memes (Seems to already be the case in the UK). UK law does not prohibit memes. It prohibits incitement to riot, as does US law. It prohibits incitement to murder, as does US law. In fact, these acts are illegal in almost every democracy in the World, even the most progressive and liberal ones, because they are reasonable statutes to extend common law (protecting people and their property from damage by others). In recent weeks, a young man born in Wales to Rwandan-born Christian migrant parents, diagnosed with autistic spectrum disorders, stabbed three 6-year old girls to death at a dance class. He attempted to murder the other children in the class, and the adults who intervened. The "illegal memes" as you put it, were that he was a foreign-born Muslim who had entered the country illegally (all aspect of this narrative are false), and that people should riot to show their displeasure, and kill Muslim migrants to "save our children". Seeing these "facts", mobs rioted in multiple towns over the course of a week, injured multiple (unarmed) police officers, caused tens of millions of pounds in damage to private property, and attempted to burn down a hotel with 200+ migrants (including children), staying in it, while many people of colour were individually attacked, their shops looted, their homes and cars damaged, and so on. Arresting and charging the people who did these things is an obvious priority. Arresting and charging the people who spread misinformation (I believe it was actually disinformation - purposeful, intentful lies), and suggesting that riots and murder should take place, are just as guilty of incitement in the UK as they would be anywhere else in the World. The internet is not a fantasy land. What you post has real World consequences. If you get together in a private forum and plan to kidnap, rape and kill a celebrity (a case also tried in the UK recently), that's not "online meme banter", that's conspiracy to kidnap, rape and murder. You're going to prison, you're a threat to public safety. The lines you say the government don't have, they're there. They're called "laws". Some of them are arguably unjust - I've campaigned against some IP law extensions in the past, including the introduction of software patents in the EU (when the UK was still a member), and think RIPA was a tragedy of law making - but to say that laws are irrelevant and action is defined only by the resistance a government faces is absurdly cynical, naive, and simply not true. Your last sentence leads to an obvious question: what do you think people should do instead of "sitting by passively and praying that the system will come to its senses"? Do you think inciting riots and murder are the way to go?