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I'd echo the sentiment that this is amazing, and that a TV guide would be awesome. I'd also suggest maybe adding the channel names (like the comment you posted

I'd echo the sentiment that this is amazing, and that a TV guide would be awesome. I'd also suggest maybe adding the channel names (like the comment you posted here) to the app itself (although i think it's cool when it's unnamed and you get the old-school feeling of channels just being numbers). Also, I'd love to have permalinks for the channels. Not for the individual videos themselves, but just a link that when sharing would bring somebody else to the same channel you're watching right now. Another thing, although probably outside your control, is that I use a Firefox extension called "SoundFixer" that I use to force the youtube audio to mono (since a lot of channels are annoying to me using headphones, they pan the audio sources too hard left/right and it's super distracting), but it doesn't seem to work on this website, probably because of the way they're embedded. I don't know if this can be changed somehow, or have a mode to force mono audio (which would be also oldschool like old TVs with one speaker only!). It's probably too niche and hard to do though. Also I don't seem to find any volume control except mute?

hadisafa 2y ago
Thank you for the feedback, I'll see what I can do regarding the mono audio issue, and I'll try to add more features as soon as possible.
myself248 2y ago
You can probably do the audio fix systemwide with EasyEffects.
Kiro 2y ago
> since a lot of channels are annoying to me using headphones, they pan the audio sources too hard left/right and it's super distracting I find this interesting. Are you oversensitive? I've never even considered that this could be an issue. Do you experience the same problem with other things like music and games?
- eCa 2y ago
  Not the parent, but with similar view on panned audio. If it's music where it's done on purpose, no problem. But talking with audio in one ear? I'm out. Not sure why exactly, but it's very jarring. For me, it's one of the worst audio quality issues a video can have.
  - opan 2y ago
    If you have mpv+yt-dlp set up you can fix this with an audio filter to mix to mono. mpv --audio-channels=mono 'urlhere' Somewhat related, I've used --vf=lavfi="hflip" to fix videos which are annoyingly mirrored to avoid copyright. You could also bind these options to keys in mpv to use on the fly. Some videos will only mirror some parts of their footage. Another fun one I bind in input.conf ctrl+shift+r cycle_values video-rotate "90" "180" "270" "0" Lets me rotate the video. I sometimes also just open a web image in mpv and rotate it like that to avoid tilting my head. I also have these binds for unbalanced audio, mainly used with 5.1 audio to sound better on headphones or stereo speakers, and the \ bind one seems to make normal stuff slightly louder also, so sometimes I hit it when I don't wanna turn up my speaker knob for one video. \ af toggle lavfi=[dynaudnorm=f=100] | af toggle lavfi=loudnorm
    - lovich 2y ago
      What are these tools? That sounds super useful for the most annoying YouTube flaws I run into
      - Daneel_ 2y ago
        If you're on Windows 10+ then there's a mono audio toggle in the Windows accessibility settings. I use it all the time to fix this exact issue.
        louis-lau 2y ago
        Also in any other major OS afaik. It's a standard accessibility feature.
      - 2y ago
- slazaro 2y ago
  In the real world you almost never hear something on one ear but not the other. Even if something is on your left, your right ear still hears it (differences in timing and volume inform your brain on the sound source location). Exception being if it's something really quiet right next to one ear, but that's relatively rare. So when things are mixed "improperly" (it's subjective), it's very distracting to me. I don't need to force mono everywhere, but it's very common in amateurish channels, and surprisingly also in movies and TV shows. Big productions tend to mix assuming you'll play on speakers (where it's fine to have something playing on just one channel/speaker, since both your ears will hear it), but when it mixes down to stereo and you listen on headphones, it's soooo common for them to pan something 100% to one channel when the source is supposed to be on that side. Like, somebody speaking to the left of the camera, and it comes 100% on the left channel and 0% on the right one. It's so unnatural and annoying to me.
  - shiroiushi 2y ago
    >In the real world you almost never hear something on one ear but not the other. Even if something is on your left, your right ear still hears it Exactly, and this highlights the big difference between using headphones and using speakers. When you listen to some stereophonic music with one of the instruments panned completely to one side, through speakers that sound will only play from that side, however the sound will bounce around your room and you'll hear it in both ears, and the difference will tell you where it's coming from. But when you listen through headphones, you don't get this effect, and it sounds weird. With modern computing devices, it shouldn't be that hard to run the music through a filter that mixes the two channels when using headphones to avoid this problem. I wouldn't want to mix them to mono (that sounds bad too), but just a slight reduction of the stereo separation would be good.
    - shmeeed 2y ago
      Is it really possible that there's no driver that is capable of doing this in Windows? Did you look into this? I wouldn't know because I consider all those effect libraries, mixers and presets ("Concert Hall" - who would ever want that?) that usually come with the audio chipset driver suite as bloatware and try to get rid of them, or at least never touch them - but it would surprise me if there weren't anything that affects the amount of stereo separation...?
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brightball 2y ago
This is incredible and I want this on my TV, hooked up to my remote for exactly this experience.
laserDinosaur 2y ago
>Another thing, although probably outside your control, is that I use a Firefox extension called "SoundFixer" that I use to force the youtube audio to mono In windows you can also go to "Ease of access audio settings" and click "Turn on mono audio". Useful for games which have positional audio which gets annoying (sf6 training room for example).
efilife 2y ago
If you are using windows, it allows you to switch sound to mono
- graftak 2y ago
  iOS and macOS too, found in accessibility settings.
rr808 2y ago
I had youtube TV for a while and the most annoying thing is that there were no channel numbers.
- sixothree 2y ago
  That and the 50 other terrible design choices they made. What a hot mess youtube tv is.
  - blinding-streak 2y ago
    Compared to what? It's easily the best Internet cable TV product on the market IMHO.
    - iambateman 2y ago
      It’s an odd “in between” between classic TV and YouTube itself. If you want to watch “the most likely thing you would want to watch” (NFL, Olympics main feed), YouTubeTV is great. But as soon as you want to find something off the top few recommendations, it gets much harder. Compare that to regular TV, when I could just remember 27 is Discovery Channel and get there instantly.
      - deelowe 2y ago
        The answer is pretty obvious. They don't want people remembering the content producers. Same reason they've worked so hard to kill the subscription feed on YouTube. They want you to rely on their recommendation engine.
    - rr808 2y ago
      It worked great on an ipad but on a TV app I had to go click, click, click, click 40 times to get to the channel I wanted.
  - danielvaughn 2y ago
    Their TV choices are confounding. I don’t know about other platforms, but the YouTube app on Apple TV is the most useless thing I’ve ever tried. Search is abysmal.
mjcohen 2y ago
Regarding sound, if you are on a Mac you can use Audio Hijack to made the sound do anything you want.
fletchowns 2y ago
Bonus points if the TV guide is not interactive like they are today, but rather the old style that slowly scrolls at a fixed rate
thefourthchime 2y ago
Before Netflix, there was Blockbuster. If we’re old enough, we remember going there and wandering through the aisles, trying to find something we would commit to. It was just as hard as picking something to watch today. There’s something incredibly important about not having the option and just going with the flow, which I think a lot of people won’t admit they like but actually do. It’s something truly missing from today’s society. Actually, now that I think about it, I believe this is why TikTok succeeds so well, along with all the doom scrolling—it’s exactly like this. You don’t know what you’re going to get next. Maybe you like it, maybe you don’t, and that’s okay. You’re just flipping through it.
- latexr 2y ago
  > There’s something incredibly important about not having the option and just going with the flow, which I think a lot of people won’t admit they like but actually do. Personally, I hate it. I can easily get glued to it and watch any random junk. And because it keeps going ad infinitum, I lost track of time and kept wasting my time, even if I was angry at how bad the program was. With the internet, I always have to make a choice regarding what to watch next, and for every thing I pick the runtime is clearly visible. It helps me make conscious choices and figure out when to stop. > It’s something truly missing from today’s society. That feels like a stretch. TV still exists. And it’s mostly garbage.

hadisafa 2y ago

Thank you for the feedback, I'll see what I can do regarding the mono audio issue, and I'll try to add more features as soon as possible.

myself248 2y ago

You can probably do the audio fix systemwide with EasyEffects.

Kiro 2y ago

> since a lot of channels are annoying to me using headphones, they pan the audio sources too hard left/right and it's super distracting I find this interesting. Are you oversensitive? I've never even considered that this could be an issue. Do you experience the same problem with other things like music and games?

eCa 2y ago
Not the parent, but with similar view on panned audio. If it's music where it's done on purpose, no problem. But talking with audio in one ear? I'm out. Not sure why exactly, but it's very jarring. For me, it's one of the worst audio quality issues a video can have.
- opan 2y ago
  If you have mpv+yt-dlp set up you can fix this with an audio filter to mix to mono. mpv --audio-channels=mono 'urlhere' Somewhat related, I've used --vf=lavfi="hflip" to fix videos which are annoyingly mirrored to avoid copyright. You could also bind these options to keys in mpv to use on the fly. Some videos will only mirror some parts of their footage. Another fun one I bind in input.conf ctrl+shift+r cycle_values video-rotate "90" "180" "270" "0" Lets me rotate the video. I sometimes also just open a web image in mpv and rotate it like that to avoid tilting my head. I also have these binds for unbalanced audio, mainly used with 5.1 audio to sound better on headphones or stereo speakers, and the \ bind one seems to make normal stuff slightly louder also, so sometimes I hit it when I don't wanna turn up my speaker knob for one video. \ af toggle lavfi=[dynaudnorm=f=100] | af toggle lavfi=loudnorm
  - lovich 2y ago
    What are these tools? That sounds super useful for the most annoying YouTube flaws I run into
    - Daneel_ 2y ago
      If you're on Windows 10+ then there's a mono audio toggle in the Windows accessibility settings. I use it all the time to fix this exact issue.
      - louis-lau 2y ago
        Also in any other major OS afaik. It's a standard accessibility feature.
    - 2y ago
slazaro 2y ago
In the real world you almost never hear something on one ear but not the other. Even if something is on your left, your right ear still hears it (differences in timing and volume inform your brain on the sound source location). Exception being if it's something really quiet right next to one ear, but that's relatively rare. So when things are mixed "improperly" (it's subjective), it's very distracting to me. I don't need to force mono everywhere, but it's very common in amateurish channels, and surprisingly also in movies and TV shows. Big productions tend to mix assuming you'll play on speakers (where it's fine to have something playing on just one channel/speaker, since both your ears will hear it), but when it mixes down to stereo and you listen on headphones, it's soooo common for them to pan something 100% to one channel when the source is supposed to be on that side. Like, somebody speaking to the left of the camera, and it comes 100% on the left channel and 0% on the right one. It's so unnatural and annoying to me.
- shiroiushi 2y ago
  >In the real world you almost never hear something on one ear but not the other. Even if something is on your left, your right ear still hears it Exactly, and this highlights the big difference between using headphones and using speakers. When you listen to some stereophonic music with one of the instruments panned completely to one side, through speakers that sound will only play from that side, however the sound will bounce around your room and you'll hear it in both ears, and the difference will tell you where it's coming from. But when you listen through headphones, you don't get this effect, and it sounds weird. With modern computing devices, it shouldn't be that hard to run the music through a filter that mixes the two channels when using headphones to avoid this problem. I wouldn't want to mix them to mono (that sounds bad too), but just a slight reduction of the stereo separation would be good.
  - shmeeed 2y ago
    Is it really possible that there's no driver that is capable of doing this in Windows? Did you look into this? I wouldn't know because I consider all those effect libraries, mixers and presets ("Concert Hall" - who would ever want that?) that usually come with the audio chipset driver suite as bloatware and try to get rid of them, or at least never touch them - but it would surprise me if there weren't anything that affects the amount of stereo separation...?
deleted 2y ago
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brightball 2y ago

This is incredible and I want this on my TV, hooked up to my remote for exactly this experience.

laserDinosaur 2y ago

>Another thing, although probably outside your control, is that I use a Firefox extension called "SoundFixer" that I use to force the youtube audio to mono In windows you can also go to "Ease of access audio settings" and click "Turn on mono audio". Useful for games which have positional audio which gets annoying (sf6 training room for example).

efilife 2y ago

If you are using windows, it allows you to switch sound to mono

graftak 2y ago
iOS and macOS too, found in accessibility settings.

rr808 2y ago

I had youtube TV for a while and the most annoying thing is that there were no channel numbers.

sixothree 2y ago
That and the 50 other terrible design choices they made. What a hot mess youtube tv is.
- blinding-streak 2y ago
  Compared to what? It's easily the best Internet cable TV product on the market IMHO.
  - iambateman 2y ago
    It’s an odd “in between” between classic TV and YouTube itself. If you want to watch “the most likely thing you would want to watch” (NFL, Olympics main feed), YouTubeTV is great. But as soon as you want to find something off the top few recommendations, it gets much harder. Compare that to regular TV, when I could just remember 27 is Discovery Channel and get there instantly.
    - deelowe 2y ago
      The answer is pretty obvious. They don't want people remembering the content producers. Same reason they've worked so hard to kill the subscription feed on YouTube. They want you to rely on their recommendation engine.
  - rr808 2y ago
    It worked great on an ipad but on a TV app I had to go click, click, click, click 40 times to get to the channel I wanted.
- danielvaughn 2y ago
  Their TV choices are confounding. I don’t know about other platforms, but the YouTube app on Apple TV is the most useless thing I’ve ever tried. Search is abysmal.

mjcohen 2y ago

Regarding sound, if you are on a Mac you can use Audio Hijack to made the sound do anything you want.

fletchowns 2y ago

Bonus points if the TV guide is not interactive like they are today, but rather the old style that slowly scrolls at a fixed rate

thefourthchime 2y ago

Before Netflix, there was Blockbuster. If we’re old enough, we remember going there and wandering through the aisles, trying to find something we would commit to. It was just as hard as picking something to watch today. There’s something incredibly important about not having the option and just going with the flow, which I think a lot of people won’t admit they like but actually do. It’s something truly missing from today’s society. Actually, now that I think about it, I believe this is why TikTok succeeds so well, along with all the doom scrolling—it’s exactly like this. You don’t know what you’re going to get next. Maybe you like it, maybe you don’t, and that’s okay. You’re just flipping through it.

latexr 2y ago
> There’s something incredibly important about not having the option and just going with the flow, which I think a lot of people won’t admit they like but actually do. Personally, I hate it. I can easily get glued to it and watch any random junk. And because it keeps going ad infinitum, I lost track of time and kept wasting my time, even if I was angry at how bad the program was. With the internet, I always have to make a choice regarding what to watch next, and for every thing I pick the runtime is clearly visible. It helps me make conscious choices and figure out when to stop. > It’s something truly missing from today’s society. That feels like a stretch. TV still exists. And it’s mostly garbage.