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> You were only supposed to get 1 year (?) of service. But they extended that by a year. I suspect they wanted to gauge what the usage (and therefore cost to t

> You were only supposed to get 1 year (?) of service. But they extended that by a year. I suspect they wanted to gauge what the usage (and therefore cost to them) would be like before making any promises. I would not be surprised if satellite messaging ends up costing after the first year, but that satellite SOS remains free forever. After all, who wants the reputation hit when someone ends up dying in the wilderness because they didn't keep up their satellite payments?

Dylan16807 2y ago
They can charge you after you get rescued. Or does that come out as a negligible amount?
- lxgr 2y ago
  Even if you managed to charge people (or their SAR insurances) tens of thousands of dollars per rescue, I'm not sure that would entirely pay for running such a service. But I suspect their actual business model will be to charge for non-emergency messaging, which might just be able to subsidize the emergency use case.
  - brewdad 2y ago
    Are there cases of people actually being charged for their backcountry rescues? I know it's theoretically allowed many places but I'm not aware of anyone actually being billed. Generally, SAR teams would rather the R continue to stand for Rescue rather than Recovery (of a body).
    - lxgr 2y ago
      As soon as SAR involves a helicopter, I remember hearing you're looking at a hefty bill in many places, even if the SAR teams themselves don't charge anything. (Not sure why/how that is the case – maybe the helicopter is often operated by a for-profit company, essentially taking the SAR crew as passenger?)
      - brewdad 2y ago
        Yeah, I'd imagine the helicopter is where the big expense lies and those are mostly private hires. The SAR teams around me are first responders already on duty or volunteers. They still have expenses when launching a mission but driving a dozen people to a trailhead is cheaper than a chopper.
      - jsjohnst 2y ago
        As someone who’s been rescued via helicopter, I can state at least in my case there wasn’t a large bill. The only thing I was charged for was the out of network ER visit.
    - wstrange 2y ago
      In Alberta and BC, helicopter rescue is free if you contact emergency services (Parks or RCMP).
    - macNchz 2y ago
      New Hampshire regularly charges for backcountry rescues when they determine the person being rescued was negligent: https://www.backpacker.com/stories/essays/opinion/new-hampshire-search-and-rescue-drivers-license/# https://www.backpacker.com/stories/essays/opinion/new-hampsh... Outside of the US all bets are off. Plenty of rescue services that charge.
- MBCook 2y ago
  They could. But “iPhone saves man’s life after he fell down a mountain” sounds a whole lot better than “worlds richest company charges man who nearly died $25 to save his life”.

Dylan16807 2y ago

They can charge you after you get rescued. Or does that come out as a negligible amount?

lxgr 2y ago
Even if you managed to charge people (or their SAR insurances) tens of thousands of dollars per rescue, I'm not sure that would entirely pay for running such a service. But I suspect their actual business model will be to charge for non-emergency messaging, which might just be able to subsidize the emergency use case.
- brewdad 2y ago
  Are there cases of people actually being charged for their backcountry rescues? I know it's theoretically allowed many places but I'm not aware of anyone actually being billed. Generally, SAR teams would rather the R continue to stand for Rescue rather than Recovery (of a body).
  - lxgr 2y ago
    As soon as SAR involves a helicopter, I remember hearing you're looking at a hefty bill in many places, even if the SAR teams themselves don't charge anything. (Not sure why/how that is the case – maybe the helicopter is often operated by a for-profit company, essentially taking the SAR crew as passenger?)
    - brewdad 2y ago
      Yeah, I'd imagine the helicopter is where the big expense lies and those are mostly private hires. The SAR teams around me are first responders already on duty or volunteers. They still have expenses when launching a mission but driving a dozen people to a trailhead is cheaper than a chopper.
    - jsjohnst 2y ago
      As someone who’s been rescued via helicopter, I can state at least in my case there wasn’t a large bill. The only thing I was charged for was the out of network ER visit.
  - wstrange 2y ago
    In Alberta and BC, helicopter rescue is free if you contact emergency services (Parks or RCMP).
  - macNchz 2y ago
    New Hampshire regularly charges for backcountry rescues when they determine the person being rescued was negligent: https://www.backpacker.com/stories/essays/opinion/new-hampshire-search-and-rescue-drivers-license/# https://www.backpacker.com/stories/essays/opinion/new-hampsh... Outside of the US all bets are off. Plenty of rescue services that charge.
MBCook 2y ago
They could. But “iPhone saves man’s life after he fell down a mountain” sounds a whole lot better than “worlds richest company charges man who nearly died $25 to save his life”.