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Twitter op responded with this, idk if the cop was just having a laugh or what but kinda lost interest due to this. >The whole situation was a societal Turing

Twitter op responded with this, idk if the cop was just having a laugh or what but kinda lost interest due to this. >The whole situation was a societal Turing test: the car was waiting in a bike lane for me. A parking enforcement officer rolls up and thinks someone parked there. But it wasn’t parked: software was driving and waiting for me. A human wouldn’t be ticketed, so why would AI be?

davidt84 2y ago
Why wouldn't a human driver be ticketed for blocking a bike lane?
- jyap 2y ago
  The human could discuss with the officer and say they were waiting for someone or be asked to move on out of the bike lane. The difference being the human interaction.
- TillE 2y ago
  There's a difference between parking and standing.
  - davidt84 2y ago
    They both block the bike lane
    - Dylan16807 2y ago
      For different amounts of time. You'd want to add more specific timelines for a driverless car, but there's a real difference and there's a reason lots of places allow standing but not parking.
    - TillE 2y ago
      OK? I have no idea about the particular municipal laws about temporarily blocking bike lanes, but that's exactly the difference the OP was describing.
- dayjah 2y ago
  In SF licensed Taxicabs can pick up / drop off in bike lanes. I learned this by being overly aggro to a taxi driver when I was a cyclist in SF. Credit to the driver for calmly talking me through the rules. http://www.sfbike.org/images/taxi_truck_flyers/taxi_flyer_FINAL.pdf http://www.sfbike.org/images/taxi_truck_flyers/taxi_flyer_FI...
HnUser12 2y ago
Wouldn’t human can be legally ticketed for stopping in the bike lane?
- seanmcdirmid 2y ago
  Technically they should be. In practice they aren’t. Really, American cities just do bike lanes so wrong that everyone involved just throws up their hands and anything goes.
  - internetter 2y ago
    Strongly beg to differ. Blocking a bike lane is $100 here, ticketing the lanes of cars parked in them can and should provide a nice revenue stream to the city
    - seanmcdirmid 2y ago
      I get it, I really do. But they often throw bike lanes into formal waiting lanes and then try to have both at the same time. It’s just crappy road design, and traffic officers have trouble figuring put what law should apply when they contradict each other. If the cops start fining drivers for reasonable things, then lots of people complain and the cops are told to back off. If you want bike lanes, get rid of parking and waiting lanes all together and physically protect or grade the lanes. Don’t half ass it and try to throw car traffic and bikes together in constant conflict. It doesn’t work out, and no amount of righteous fury will make it work out.
    - bobthepanda 2y ago
      American law enforcement is highly variable and defers to the police officers’ individual judgments to write a ticket. In some American cities like NYC a lot of the moving and parking violations are actually cops, who don’t ticket each other out of solidarity even if not actually on the job, and they often don’t ticket people exhibiting similar behaviors that they do. The practice of illegally parking on a sidewalk by cops in NYC is so endemic the DOJ warned it might sue NYPD for a systematic violation of the ADA. https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/doj-threatens-nypd-with-lawsuit-over-sidewalk-parking/5340834/ https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/doj-threatens-nypd-wit...

davidt84 2y ago

Why wouldn't a human driver be ticketed for blocking a bike lane?

jyap 2y ago
The human could discuss with the officer and say they were waiting for someone or be asked to move on out of the bike lane. The difference being the human interaction.
TillE 2y ago
There's a difference between parking and standing.
- davidt84 2y ago
  They both block the bike lane
  - Dylan16807 2y ago
    For different amounts of time. You'd want to add more specific timelines for a driverless car, but there's a real difference and there's a reason lots of places allow standing but not parking.
  - TillE 2y ago
    OK? I have no idea about the particular municipal laws about temporarily blocking bike lanes, but that's exactly the difference the OP was describing.
dayjah 2y ago
In SF licensed Taxicabs can pick up / drop off in bike lanes. I learned this by being overly aggro to a taxi driver when I was a cyclist in SF. Credit to the driver for calmly talking me through the rules. http://www.sfbike.org/images/taxi_truck_flyers/taxi_flyer_FINAL.pdf http://www.sfbike.org/images/taxi_truck_flyers/taxi_flyer_FI...

HnUser12 2y ago

Wouldn’t human can be legally ticketed for stopping in the bike lane?

seanmcdirmid 2y ago
Technically they should be. In practice they aren’t. Really, American cities just do bike lanes so wrong that everyone involved just throws up their hands and anything goes.
- internetter 2y ago
  Strongly beg to differ. Blocking a bike lane is $100 here, ticketing the lanes of cars parked in them can and should provide a nice revenue stream to the city
  - seanmcdirmid 2y ago
    I get it, I really do. But they often throw bike lanes into formal waiting lanes and then try to have both at the same time. It’s just crappy road design, and traffic officers have trouble figuring put what law should apply when they contradict each other. If the cops start fining drivers for reasonable things, then lots of people complain and the cops are told to back off. If you want bike lanes, get rid of parking and waiting lanes all together and physically protect or grade the lanes. Don’t half ass it and try to throw car traffic and bikes together in constant conflict. It doesn’t work out, and no amount of righteous fury will make it work out.
  - bobthepanda 2y ago
    American law enforcement is highly variable and defers to the police officers’ individual judgments to write a ticket. In some American cities like NYC a lot of the moving and parking violations are actually cops, who don’t ticket each other out of solidarity even if not actually on the job, and they often don’t ticket people exhibiting similar behaviors that they do. The practice of illegally parking on a sidewalk by cops in NYC is so endemic the DOJ warned it might sue NYPD for a systematic violation of the ADA. https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/doj-threatens-nypd-with-lawsuit-over-sidewalk-parking/5340834/ https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/doj-threatens-nypd-wit...