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There are many companies that just do whatever they can get away with and because of their market position, this is a lot. Maybe someday there will be a moveme

by ilaksh 2y ago

There are many companies that just do whatever they can get away with and because of their market position, this is a lot. Maybe someday there will be a movement to boycott these abusive companies or something. Check out https://futo.org https://futo.org

RobotToaster 2y ago
futo, the company that keeps trying to hijack open source with their proprietary licence?
- 3np 2y ago
  These? https://gitlab.futo.org/keyboard/latinime/-/blob/master/LICENSE.md https://gitlab.futo.org/keyboard/latinime/-/blob/master/LICE... https://gitlab.futo.org/videostreaming/grayjay/-/blob/master/LICENSE.md https://gitlab.futo.org/videostreaming/grayjay/-/blob/master... Yeah, that's.. Unfortunate. I hope they don't attempt to relicense immich (AGPL), at least..
- CivBase 2y ago
  Didn't they start saying "source first" instead of "open source"? What's wrong with that? Nothing about their current licenses stand out as unreasonable to me. Even though their licenses aren't technically "open source" - i.e. not an OSI approved license - their license is clearly in the same spirit and I would absolutely refer to it as "open source" in casual discussion. They did the wrong thing at first, but their intent was obviously not malicious and they corrected it. Why let that undermine the rest of the good things they're doing?
brookst 2y ago
Why would people boycott a company with a strong market position that is operating within the bounds of what it can get away with? This reads like suggesting people should boycott their favorite restaurants because reasons.
- ilaksh 2y ago
  Because what they get away with is abusive and shows no regard for consumers. Your comment reads like you ignored all of the context of my comment. It's like if your favorite restaurant served really good burgers for $1000, but if the pickles and lettuce fell out and you tried to put them back in, the waiter would come over and slap the burger out of your hand and make you spend another $1000 to get a whole new burger.
  - 3np 2y ago
    To be fair, you do have the option of buying a replacement lettuce+sauce kit for $800 coupled with pickles for $300.
  - brookst 2y ago
    I guess we have different ideas about "context". You're telling me that something very popular, with high brand loyalty, is actually abusive and the people who are loyal to it should not only stop buying but organize some kind of boycott. Which is just strange. In your hypothetical, nobody would go there. Nobody buys $1000 burgers, nobody likes abusive service. But, in your hypothetical, somehow this is not just a successful restaurant but one of the most successful in the world. Because... people are forced to go there? I honestly am trying to be as charitable as possible and I just can't see any sense in your position. As far as I can tell you just dislike some brands and are angry that other people like them and refuse to stop buying their products, even though you think they should for their own good. It's very convoluted.
  - samatman 2y ago
    It's not like that at all, because a restaurant which did that would rapidly go out of business, and these companies are quite profitable, because people like what they're getting. Repairability is treated like a terminal good around HN, and that's understandable, but it doesn't reflect the values of the general public. Most civilians who crack their screen are going to put up with it until they can buy a new phone, because they were going to get a new phone anyway. The fact that a repair is expensive is in a feedback loop with this sort of behavior. If consumers wanted to keep phones for five years and have an affordable battery or screen swap during that time, they'd demand it, and they'd get it. There are a lot of Android phone vendors. That isn't to say that the status quo is ideal, and I do expect it to change as Moore's Law starts to level out, with smartphone design following the same curve. I would even say we're starting to see that happen. But if consumers thought Samsung was abusive and showed no regard for them, they wouldn't buy phones from Samsung. But they do buy phones from Samsung, so they don't think that.

by ilaksh 2y ago

RobotToaster 2y ago

futo, the company that keeps trying to hijack open source with their proprietary licence?

3np 2y ago
These? https://gitlab.futo.org/keyboard/latinime/-/blob/master/LICENSE.md https://gitlab.futo.org/keyboard/latinime/-/blob/master/LICE... https://gitlab.futo.org/videostreaming/grayjay/-/blob/master/LICENSE.md https://gitlab.futo.org/videostreaming/grayjay/-/blob/master... Yeah, that's.. Unfortunate. I hope they don't attempt to relicense immich (AGPL), at least..
CivBase 2y ago
Didn't they start saying "source first" instead of "open source"? What's wrong with that? Nothing about their current licenses stand out as unreasonable to me. Even though their licenses aren't technically "open source" - i.e. not an OSI approved license - their license is clearly in the same spirit and I would absolutely refer to it as "open source" in casual discussion. They did the wrong thing at first, but their intent was obviously not malicious and they corrected it. Why let that undermine the rest of the good things they're doing?

brookst 2y ago

Why would people boycott a company with a strong market position that is operating within the bounds of what it can get away with? This reads like suggesting people should boycott their favorite restaurants because reasons.

ilaksh 2y ago
Because what they get away with is abusive and shows no regard for consumers. Your comment reads like you ignored all of the context of my comment. It's like if your favorite restaurant served really good burgers for $1000, but if the pickles and lettuce fell out and you tried to put them back in, the waiter would come over and slap the burger out of your hand and make you spend another $1000 to get a whole new burger.
- 3np 2y ago
  To be fair, you do have the option of buying a replacement lettuce+sauce kit for $800 coupled with pickles for $300.
- brookst 2y ago
  I guess we have different ideas about "context". You're telling me that something very popular, with high brand loyalty, is actually abusive and the people who are loyal to it should not only stop buying but organize some kind of boycott. Which is just strange. In your hypothetical, nobody would go there. Nobody buys $1000 burgers, nobody likes abusive service. But, in your hypothetical, somehow this is not just a successful restaurant but one of the most successful in the world. Because... people are forced to go there? I honestly am trying to be as charitable as possible and I just can't see any sense in your position. As far as I can tell you just dislike some brands and are angry that other people like them and refuse to stop buying their products, even though you think they should for their own good. It's very convoluted.
- samatman 2y ago
  It's not like that at all, because a restaurant which did that would rapidly go out of business, and these companies are quite profitable, because people like what they're getting. Repairability is treated like a terminal good around HN, and that's understandable, but it doesn't reflect the values of the general public. Most civilians who crack their screen are going to put up with it until they can buy a new phone, because they were going to get a new phone anyway. The fact that a repair is expensive is in a feedback loop with this sort of behavior. If consumers wanted to keep phones for five years and have an affordable battery or screen swap during that time, they'd demand it, and they'd get it. There are a lot of Android phone vendors. That isn't to say that the status quo is ideal, and I do expect it to change as Moore's Law starts to level out, with smartphone design following the same curve. I would even say we're starting to see that happen. But if consumers thought Samsung was abusive and showed no regard for them, they wouldn't buy phones from Samsung. But they do buy phones from Samsung, so they don't think that.