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This was interesting. When reading something like this I can’t help but wonder what the big PC makers do, but figuring that out seems like it would be pretty d

by MBCook 2y ago

This was interesting. When reading something like this I can’t help but wonder what the big PC makers do, but figuring that out seems like it would be pretty daunting given the large number of models even a single vendor makes. Having so few models, plus firmware updates in the OS, probably made figuring this out so much easier than it would be in PC land. Also: poor 2019 iMac. It’s a nice model but came out right before the Apple Silicon transition. It’s lifetime was never going to be what it could have been.

bunnyman 2y ago
Same with the 2019 16" MacBook Pro with Intel i9 processor. I switched to a M1 Max 16" MacBook in 2022 and use the Intel one with Windows 10 installed on Bootcamp.
Rinzler89 2y ago
>Also: poor 2019 iMac. It’s a nice model but came out right before the Apple Silicon transition. There was nothing stopping Apple from supporting it far longer. It's not like they're a start-up short on cash with limited budgets. It's their own HW for Pete's sake, not someone else's like Microsoft or Linux has to.
- dialup_sounds 2y ago
  It's still supported.
  - hu3 2y ago
    Probably not for long. 2017s stopped being supported last year 2019s are on the chopping block.
    - tpmoney 2y ago
      Apple's hardware support timelines are 5 years from last sale date for "vintage" status, and 7 years for "obsolete" status. One should probably assume that firmware support especially and possibly software support will follow similar timelines.
trte9343r4 2y ago
> wonder what the big PC makers do Just some anecdotal evidence: - Dell XPS 13 from 2014 was getting bios updates until 2019 when I sold it. - Asus AM4 motherboard was getting updates for 4 years. Mainly for new CPU models. - 1 year old AM5 motherboard from gigabyte has to be used with original firmware, newer is quite unstable. - Minisforum miniPC gets about 1 year of updates. Firmware download is via Mediafire (file sharing service). There are no downloads for 3 years old device. I do not thibg bios is too big issue, most things like CPU vulnerabilities are patched in linux.
- dustyharddrive 2y ago
  > CPU vulnerabilities These are another source of obselence. Intel generally sets an "End of Servicing Updates" date at seven years post-launch.
resource_waste 2y ago
>Also: poor 2019 iMac. It’s a nice model but came out right before the Apple Silicon transition. It’s lifetime was never going to be what it could have been. I find it interesting that seemingly every other vendor does their best to maintain backwards compatability or at least some support. Apple: Nope, go buy our new stuff $$$ :) Apple fans: okay :)
- dialup_sounds 2y ago
  That model is still supported by the current and next OS versions. In the end we're talking about having ~7 years of updates vs ~10. (Sent from my Intel NUC that stopped getting GPU drivers after a year.)
- fredoliveira 2y ago
  Appropriate username, but unfair take. I'll promptly admit my bias: I've been on macs as my daily driver for 20 years. But that's for a reason — the hardware is great, the software is good, and the support for old hardware is honestly amazing. I do lots and lots of hand-me-downs to parents, siblings, the spouse, and lots of those devices still work, with the latest OSes, years and years down the line. I have a friend that just replaced an old 13" Macbook that was 12 years old and working great. Find me a company that does that and is as good in terms of build quality and I'll be immediately interested.
  - whyoh 2y ago
    >the support for old hardware is honestly amazing I disagree. As an example, Macs stuck on 11 (Big Sur) stopped getting updates in 2023.[1] That includes Macs released until ~2014-2015, which are still usable in terms of hardware.[2] I wouldn't call that amazing at all. [1]https://endoflife.date/macos https://endoflife.date/macos [2]https://support.apple.com/en-us/103260 https://support.apple.com/en-us/103260
    - BoredPositron 2y ago
      They did provide security updates even after eol same goes for the first iPhone SE which is over 10 years of now. For feature updates you might be right…

by MBCook 2y ago

bunnyman 2y ago

Same with the 2019 16" MacBook Pro with Intel i9 processor. I switched to a M1 Max 16" MacBook in 2022 and use the Intel one with Windows 10 installed on Bootcamp.

Rinzler89 2y ago

>Also: poor 2019 iMac. It’s a nice model but came out right before the Apple Silicon transition. There was nothing stopping Apple from supporting it far longer. It's not like they're a start-up short on cash with limited budgets. It's their own HW for Pete's sake, not someone else's like Microsoft or Linux has to.

dialup_sounds 2y ago
It's still supported.
- hu3 2y ago
  Probably not for long. 2017s stopped being supported last year 2019s are on the chopping block.
  - tpmoney 2y ago
    Apple's hardware support timelines are 5 years from last sale date for "vintage" status, and 7 years for "obsolete" status. One should probably assume that firmware support especially and possibly software support will follow similar timelines.

trte9343r4 2y ago

> wonder what the big PC makers do Just some anecdotal evidence: - Dell XPS 13 from 2014 was getting bios updates until 2019 when I sold it. - Asus AM4 motherboard was getting updates for 4 years. Mainly for new CPU models. - 1 year old AM5 motherboard from gigabyte has to be used with original firmware, newer is quite unstable. - Minisforum miniPC gets about 1 year of updates. Firmware download is via Mediafire (file sharing service). There are no downloads for 3 years old device. I do not thibg bios is too big issue, most things like CPU vulnerabilities are patched in linux.

dustyharddrive 2y ago
> CPU vulnerabilities These are another source of obselence. Intel generally sets an "End of Servicing Updates" date at seven years post-launch.

resource_waste 2y ago

>Also: poor 2019 iMac. It’s a nice model but came out right before the Apple Silicon transition. It’s lifetime was never going to be what it could have been. I find it interesting that seemingly every other vendor does their best to maintain backwards compatability or at least some support. Apple: Nope, go buy our new stuff $$$ :) Apple fans: okay :)

dialup_sounds 2y ago
That model is still supported by the current and next OS versions. In the end we're talking about having ~7 years of updates vs ~10. (Sent from my Intel NUC that stopped getting GPU drivers after a year.)
fredoliveira 2y ago
Appropriate username, but unfair take. I'll promptly admit my bias: I've been on macs as my daily driver for 20 years. But that's for a reason — the hardware is great, the software is good, and the support for old hardware is honestly amazing. I do lots and lots of hand-me-downs to parents, siblings, the spouse, and lots of those devices still work, with the latest OSes, years and years down the line. I have a friend that just replaced an old 13" Macbook that was 12 years old and working great. Find me a company that does that and is as good in terms of build quality and I'll be immediately interested.
- whyoh 2y ago
  >the support for old hardware is honestly amazing I disagree. As an example, Macs stuck on 11 (Big Sur) stopped getting updates in 2023.[1] That includes Macs released until ~2014-2015, which are still usable in terms of hardware.[2] I wouldn't call that amazing at all. [1]https://endoflife.date/macos https://endoflife.date/macos [2]https://support.apple.com/en-us/103260 https://support.apple.com/en-us/103260
  - BoredPositron 2y ago
    They did provide security updates even after eol same goes for the first iPhone SE which is over 10 years of now. For feature updates you might be right…