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"10/[20]00-10/[20]00: counterperson, mcdonald's" Does that mean he worked there for one month or less? I checked his Linkedin, the job isn't listed. Jan 2002

by mtmail 2y ago

"10/[20]00-10/[20]00: counterperson, mcdonald's" Does that mean he worked there for one month or less? I checked his Linkedin, the job isn't listed. Jan 2002 he started a new photo startup ("50M+ members posted a billion photos"), then co-founder&CEO of meetup. It's a good time capsule of what his thinking was in 2000 but I wonder if it was more than a break. At my office job I, too, often think I should drive an Uber or deliver food for a month as a break.

dylan604 2y ago
Is working the counter at McDs something you add to a LinkedIn profile? Do people moving from the counter at McDs to BurgerKing use LinkedIn?
- reactordev 2y ago
  Exactly. I have dozens of jobs I don’t list on LinkedIn. I wouldn’t list McDs either. Your LinkedIn is your resume. Something tailored towards the career you choose. These off jobs and hustles don’t belong in my opinion. Leave that for the story telling part of the interview when they ask.
  - dumbfounder 2y ago
    He was founder of Meetup, acquired by WeWork for $200m in 2017, my guess is for cash. They only raised $18m so that should be a good exit for founders. I don't think he is using his LinkedIn profile to find a new job. I would expect him to use his LinkedIn as more of a bio, and include the McD's experience.
- robofanatic 2y ago
  Why not? Its a nice PR story about early life struggles.
  - RandomThoughts3 2y ago
    He wasn’t struggling. He had sold his former company properly. He was just more or less taking a break by working at McDonalds. Some people said it was a bit disrespectful at the time because he didn’t need neither the money nor the experience and was only doing it for the kick of it. I tend to agree.
- tennisflyi 2y ago
  Such a classist comment
  - sandspar 2y ago
    Guy who makes $200,000 a year is aghast that some people actually work at McDonald's
    - _xiaz 2y ago
      In our little IT bubble where 3+ interviews are the norm, it's fine to envy the straightforward hiring in food-service. Ofc we still got the better deal overall and should only complain in hush tones
    - bluGill 2y ago
      I'm haven't worked at McDonalds for 20+ years, but I think that the top manager at each store is making $200k, and the top 4 are over $150k - it goes down fast below that though. I'm reasonable sure that if I had stayed at McDonalds I'd have never had a year where I made less than I made in tech. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad to be out, but they pay those they care about well enough, and there were some good things I miss.
      - bumby 2y ago
        >I think that the top manager at each store is making $200k, and the top 4 are over $150k Curious what this range is based on? According to ~3.8k self-reported salaries from Glassdoor, the McD manager salary ranges from $37k-$64k with a median of $48k.
        celdon25 2y ago
        I don’t like to speculate but I could imagine managers at some franchises receiving a bonus based on profits or sales.
        bluGill 2y ago
        The top manager. The shift managers make about that, but the top managers who mostly do paperwork and are rarely seen on the floor do better.
Maxatar 2y ago
He worked there for a few weeks: https://www.businessinsider.com/scott-heiferman-startup-career-history-2013-6 https://www.businessinsider.com/scott-heiferman-startup-care...
- SoftTalker 2y ago
  Well that explains why he felt nobody appreciated his efforts. The first few weeks at a job like that you are pretty much just in the way. It takes some time to learn the routines and operate the equipment so you can work quickly without thinking.
  - oceanplexian 2y ago
    Agree that’s kind of *^%% move, I’d have too much self respect to start working somewhere for a few weeks than bail. Doesn’t matter if it’s a food service job or a FAANG. McDonalds was doing him a solid by offering some kind of employment for a person presumably down on their luck with zero experience. Hiring people is a huge expense and risk even for a small franchise.
    - paulpauper 2y ago
      high turnover is common. he was not doing anyone a disservice.
    - klyrs 2y ago
      I dunno. Sounds like you've never bitten off more than you can chew. I have found myself in a situation before, where my continued participation would be an immediate low-grade harm and my rate of improvement was slow because I had volunteered for something well out of my wheelhouse. So I had a dilemma: give up and disappoint today, forcing my replacement; or carry on in my incompetence and risk the whole endeavor. Quitting early did bruise my self-respect: people were depending on me! But hanging on, just to protect my feelings, would have been a much greater regret.
      - abduhl 2y ago
brianshaler 2y ago
I used to work in software sales in a call center. I hated my job and the highlight of my week was the Monday burrito special down the street at a place where the employees shouted "Welcome to Moe's!" whenever customers entered. When thinks ultimately fell apart at that job, I went to Moe's and somehow managed to get a job despite a lack of food service experience. I lasted a while—months, I think—but eventually got fired. I don't know that there's a moral to that, but I guess I tend to look at the urge to bail and go to unskilled (or really, differently-skilled) labor less as a virtuous thing and more a sign that some in-place re-evaluation is needed with mental health in mind. I still occasionally say "I should become a farmer" but take it more as a sign that there's something I probably need to address within my current situation and/or I need to get back on the wagon of going on morning walks.
- euroderf 2y ago
  Maybe you needed to work with your hands for a while.
- gopher_space 2y ago
  > somehow managed to get a job despite a lack of food service experience. I lasted a while—months, I think—but eventually got fired. Bit of a tangent; I switch between knowledge work and labor a bit, and the biggest mistake I see people make is not altering their caloric intake or sleep schedule.
  - bulletninja 2y ago
    Could you elaborate on that? Altering caloric intake and sleep schedule as a reaction to what? And how would you change between the two regimes? Increase/decrease how much? etc.
    - mathgeek 2y ago
      Not GP, but being on your feet all day will lead to needing more calories and sleep for proper recovery.
maschera 2y ago
We, the internet people, should all work a regular job for 2-4 weeks year. I think far too often that I'd like to experience being a truck driver before I die. Why there are no companies that arrange this? We need a Kidzania for adult nerds.
- Aperocky 2y ago
  Therein lies the problem, as you'd expect a company to arrange for this, via just go ahead and .. do it? But I guess as a society we are constantly inventing higher level of first world problems that's probably the result of echo chambers that has stratified the society.
  - photonthug 2y ago
    I think unions and certification would largely prevent the "just do it" idea. For better or worse, it seems more difficult for a programmer to become an electrician than for an electrician to become a programmer. So yeah, if you want to LARP at some kind of trade, then you're likely going to need some kind of fixer to let you do that after you (and the people you want to inflict all the substandard work on!) sign all the appropriate waivers. Now if you just want to swing a sledgehammer on demolition day for what is usually a construction crew, ask a friend, because it is great exercise and relieves stress and has a relatively low barrier to entry. But on the other hand while you're saving the membership fee of your crossfit, you're also taking work from someone who's unlikely to be able to switch careers on short notice, so perhaps this is not the best way to unstratify society.
    - canadianfella 2y ago
      [dead]
  - johnnyanmac 2y ago
    >you'd expect a company to arrange for this, via just go ahead and .. do it? Given how the hiring process works (or if I may be frank: has devolved into a soft lottery system), and expectations for most part or full-time employment in terms of scheduling and work terms: yes. Maybe you can get away with finding a seasonal job to do this with, but that only solves half the equation. many US jobs can barely get medical leave without scrutiny, there's no way this "adult internship" would get approved without some major handshakes. Or as you put it: for people who's so comfortable or confident in life that they can bounce around jobs like this for leisure rather than survival. >that's probably the result of echo chambers that has stratified the society. I'd say this is less echo chambers and more how corporate America has evolved. This may have been possible (but still infeasible) in the 60's where you can walk in with a nice suit, give a firm handshake, and be on the holiday shift in a week with relatively minimum contracts or background checks or negotiations (with a single wage that can support a nuclear family to boot!). There's just a lot of bureaucracy even to get entry level stuff these days.

by mtmail 2y ago

dylan604 2y ago

Is working the counter at McDs something you add to a LinkedIn profile? Do people moving from the counter at McDs to BurgerKing use LinkedIn?

reactordev 2y ago
Exactly. I have dozens of jobs I don’t list on LinkedIn. I wouldn’t list McDs either. Your LinkedIn is your resume. Something tailored towards the career you choose. These off jobs and hustles don’t belong in my opinion. Leave that for the story telling part of the interview when they ask.
- dumbfounder 2y ago
  He was founder of Meetup, acquired by WeWork for $200m in 2017, my guess is for cash. They only raised $18m so that should be a good exit for founders. I don't think he is using his LinkedIn profile to find a new job. I would expect him to use his LinkedIn as more of a bio, and include the McD's experience.
robofanatic 2y ago
Why not? Its a nice PR story about early life struggles.
- RandomThoughts3 2y ago
  He wasn’t struggling. He had sold his former company properly. He was just more or less taking a break by working at McDonalds. Some people said it was a bit disrespectful at the time because he didn’t need neither the money nor the experience and was only doing it for the kick of it. I tend to agree.
tennisflyi 2y ago
Such a classist comment
- sandspar 2y ago
  Guy who makes $200,000 a year is aghast that some people actually work at McDonald's
  - _xiaz 2y ago
    In our little IT bubble where 3+ interviews are the norm, it's fine to envy the straightforward hiring in food-service. Ofc we still got the better deal overall and should only complain in hush tones
  - bluGill 2y ago
    I'm haven't worked at McDonalds for 20+ years, but I think that the top manager at each store is making $200k, and the top 4 are over $150k - it goes down fast below that though. I'm reasonable sure that if I had stayed at McDonalds I'd have never had a year where I made less than I made in tech. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad to be out, but they pay those they care about well enough, and there were some good things I miss.
    - bumby 2y ago
      >I think that the top manager at each store is making $200k, and the top 4 are over $150k Curious what this range is based on? According to ~3.8k self-reported salaries from Glassdoor, the McD manager salary ranges from $37k-$64k with a median of $48k.
      - celdon25 2y ago
        I don’t like to speculate but I could imagine managers at some franchises receiving a bonus based on profits or sales.
      - bluGill 2y ago
        The top manager. The shift managers make about that, but the top managers who mostly do paperwork and are rarely seen on the floor do better.

Maxatar 2y ago

He worked there for a few weeks: https://www.businessinsider.com/scott-heiferman-startup-career-history-2013-6 https://www.businessinsider.com/scott-heiferman-startup-care...

SoftTalker 2y ago
Well that explains why he felt nobody appreciated his efforts. The first few weeks at a job like that you are pretty much just in the way. It takes some time to learn the routines and operate the equipment so you can work quickly without thinking.
- oceanplexian 2y ago
  Agree that’s kind of *^%% move, I’d have too much self respect to start working somewhere for a few weeks than bail. Doesn’t matter if it’s a food service job or a FAANG. McDonalds was doing him a solid by offering some kind of employment for a person presumably down on their luck with zero experience. Hiring people is a huge expense and risk even for a small franchise.
  - paulpauper 2y ago
    high turnover is common. he was not doing anyone a disservice.
  - klyrs 2y ago
    I dunno. Sounds like you've never bitten off more than you can chew. I have found myself in a situation before, where my continued participation would be an immediate low-grade harm and my rate of improvement was slow because I had volunteered for something well out of my wheelhouse. So I had a dilemma: give up and disappoint today, forcing my replacement; or carry on in my incompetence and risk the whole endeavor. Quitting early did bruise my self-respect: people were depending on me! But hanging on, just to protect my feelings, would have been a much greater regret.
    - abduhl 2y ago

brianshaler 2y ago

I used to work in software sales in a call center. I hated my job and the highlight of my week was the Monday burrito special down the street at a place where the employees shouted "Welcome to Moe's!" whenever customers entered. When thinks ultimately fell apart at that job, I went to Moe's and somehow managed to get a job despite a lack of food service experience. I lasted a while—months, I think—but eventually got fired. I don't know that there's a moral to that, but I guess I tend to look at the urge to bail and go to unskilled (or really, differently-skilled) labor less as a virtuous thing and more a sign that some in-place re-evaluation is needed with mental health in mind. I still occasionally say "I should become a farmer" but take it more as a sign that there's something I probably need to address within my current situation and/or I need to get back on the wagon of going on morning walks.

euroderf 2y ago
Maybe you needed to work with your hands for a while.
gopher_space 2y ago
> somehow managed to get a job despite a lack of food service experience. I lasted a while—months, I think—but eventually got fired. Bit of a tangent; I switch between knowledge work and labor a bit, and the biggest mistake I see people make is not altering their caloric intake or sleep schedule.
- bulletninja 2y ago
  Could you elaborate on that? Altering caloric intake and sleep schedule as a reaction to what? And how would you change between the two regimes? Increase/decrease how much? etc.
  - mathgeek 2y ago
    Not GP, but being on your feet all day will lead to needing more calories and sleep for proper recovery.

maschera 2y ago

We, the internet people, should all work a regular job for 2-4 weeks year. I think far too often that I'd like to experience being a truck driver before I die. Why there are no companies that arrange this? We need a Kidzania for adult nerds.

Aperocky 2y ago
Therein lies the problem, as you'd expect a company to arrange for this, via just go ahead and .. do it? But I guess as a society we are constantly inventing higher level of first world problems that's probably the result of echo chambers that has stratified the society.
- photonthug 2y ago
  I think unions and certification would largely prevent the "just do it" idea. For better or worse, it seems more difficult for a programmer to become an electrician than for an electrician to become a programmer. So yeah, if you want to LARP at some kind of trade, then you're likely going to need some kind of fixer to let you do that after you (and the people you want to inflict all the substandard work on!) sign all the appropriate waivers. Now if you just want to swing a sledgehammer on demolition day for what is usually a construction crew, ask a friend, because it is great exercise and relieves stress and has a relatively low barrier to entry. But on the other hand while you're saving the membership fee of your crossfit, you're also taking work from someone who's unlikely to be able to switch careers on short notice, so perhaps this is not the best way to unstratify society.
  - canadianfella 2y ago
    [dead]
- johnnyanmac 2y ago
  >you'd expect a company to arrange for this, via just go ahead and .. do it? Given how the hiring process works (or if I may be frank: has devolved into a soft lottery system), and expectations for most part or full-time employment in terms of scheduling and work terms: yes. Maybe you can get away with finding a seasonal job to do this with, but that only solves half the equation. many US jobs can barely get medical leave without scrutiny, there's no way this "adult internship" would get approved without some major handshakes. Or as you put it: for people who's so comfortable or confident in life that they can bounce around jobs like this for leisure rather than survival. >that's probably the result of echo chambers that has stratified the society. I'd say this is less echo chambers and more how corporate America has evolved. This may have been possible (but still infeasible) in the 60's where you can walk in with a nice suit, give a firm handshake, and be on the holiday shift in a week with relatively minimum contracts or background checks or negotiations (with a single wage that can support a nuclear family to boot!). There's just a lot of bureaucracy even to get entry level stuff these days.