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hi friends! burkay from fal.ai here. would like to clarify that the model is NOT built by fal. all credit should go to Black Forest Labs (https://blackforestlab

hi friends! burkay from fal.ai here. would like to clarify that the model is NOT built by fal. all credit should go to Black Forest Labs (https://blackforestlabs.ai/ https://blackforestlabs.ai/) which is a new co by the OG stable diffusion team. what we did at fal is take the model and run it on our inference engine optimized to run these kinds of models really really fast. feel free to give it a shot on the playgrounds. https://fal.ai/models/fal-ai/flux/dev https://fal.ai/models/fal-ai/flux/dev

tikkun 2y ago
> We are excited to introduce Flux I'd suggest re-wording the blog post intro, it reads as if it was created by Fal. Specific phrases to change: > Announcing Flux (from the title) > We are excited to introduce Flux > Flux comes in three powerful variations: This section also comes across as if you created it > We invite you to try Flux for yourself. Reads as if you're the creator
- burkaygur 2y ago
  Thanks for the feedback! Made some updates.
  - tikkun 2y ago
    Way better, nice
nextos 2y ago
The name is a bit unfortunate given that Julia's most popular ML library is called Flux. See: https://fluxml.ai https://fluxml.ai. This library is quite well known, 3rd most starred project in Julia: https://juliapackages.com/packages?sort=stars https://juliapackages.com/packages?sort=stars. It has been around since, at least, 2016: https://github.com/FluxML/Flux.jl/graphs/code-frequency https://github.com/FluxML/Flux.jl/graphs/code-frequency.
- refulgentis 2y ago
  There was a looong distracting thread a month ago about something similar, niche language, might have been Julia, had a package with the same name as $NEW_THING. I hope this one doesn't stir as much discussion. It has 4000 stars, there isnt a large mass of people who view the world through the lens of "Flux is ML library". No one will end up in a "who is on first?" discussion because of it. If this line of argument is held sacrosanct, it ends up in an infinite loop until everyone gives up and starts using UUIDs.
  - jachee 2y ago
    Eagerly waiting for this to happen in the medication names space. :)
  - djbusby 2y ago
    Like the Go language that existed before Google Go.
    - Thorrez 2y ago
      It's named "Go!". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go!_(programming_language) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go!_(programming_language) Disclosure: I work at Google but not on the Go team.
- temp_account_32 2y ago
  i would give them a break, so many things exist in the tech sector that being completely original is basically impossible, unless you name your thing something nonsensical also search engines are context aware, if your search history is full of julia questions, it will know what you're searching for
- msikora 2y ago
  Also Flux is a now obsolete application architecture for ReactJS.
- dheera 2y ago
  I think we've generally run out of names to give projects and need to start reusing names. Maybe use letters to disambiguate them. Flux A is the ML library Flux B is the T2I model Flux C is the React library Flux D is the physics concept of power per unit area Flux E is the goo you put on solder
dabeeeenster 2y ago
The unsubscribe links in your emails don't work
vessenes 2y ago
Congrats Burkay - the model is very impressive. One area I’d like to see improved in a flux v2 is knowledge of artist styles. Flux cannot respond to requests asking for paintings in the style of David Hockney, Norman Rockwell, Edgar Degas, — it seems to have no fine art training at all. I’d bet that fine art training would further improve the compositional skills of the model, plus it would open up a range of uses that are (to me at least) a bit more interesting than just illustrations.
- warkdarrior 2y ago
  Have those artists given permission for their styles to be slurped up into a model?
  - GaggiX 2y ago
    Give me a sec, I will contact Edgar Degas with my telegraph.
    - vessenes 2y ago
      Truly an API call I would pay for
  - vessenes 2y ago
    Florentine art schools would like a word - they’ve been teaching painters by having them copy masters since the 16th century.
- astrange 2y ago
  It's "just" another diffusion model, although a very good one. Those people are probably in there even if its text encoder doesn't know about them. So you can find them with textual inversion.
- whywhywhywhy 2y ago
  >Flux cannot respond to requests asking for paintings in the style of David Hockney, Norman Rockwell Does it respond to any names? I noticed SD3 removed all names to prevent recreating famous people but as a side effect lost the very powerful ability to infer styles from artist names too.
frognumber 2y ago
It would be nice to understand limits of the free tier. I couldn't find that anywhere. I see pricing, but I'm generating images without swiping my credit card. If it's unlimited or "throttled for abuse," say that. Right now, I don't know if I can try it six times or experiment to my heart's desire.
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Hizonner 2y ago
You also might want to "clarify" that it is not open source (and neither are any of the other "open source" models). If you want to call it something, try "open weights", although the usage restrictions make even that a HUGE FUCKING STRETCH. Also, everybody should remember that these models are not copyrightable and you should never agree to any license for them...
- astromaniak 2y ago
  > it is not open source It would be nice here if you give some examples of what you call open source model. Please ;) Because the impression is that these things do not exist, it's just a dream which does not deserve such a nice term..
  - Hizonner 2y ago
    As far as I know, none have been released. And it doesn't even really make sense, because, as I said, the models aren't copyrightable to begin with and therefore aren't licensable either. However, plenty of open source software exists. The fact that open source models don't exist doesn't excuse attempts to falsely claim the prestige of the phrase "open source".
    - kube-system 2y ago
      > the models aren't copyrightable to begin with What criteria for copyright protection are they missing?
    - astromaniak 2y ago
      > As far as I know, none have been released. I can tell you a secret. What you call 'open source' models are impossible. Because massive randomness is a part of training process. They are not reproducible. Having everything you cannot even tell if the given model was trained on the given dataset. Copyright is a different thing. And a bad news, what's coming is even worst. Those will be the whole things with self awareness and personal experience. They can be copied, but not reproduced. More over, it's hard or almost impossible to detect if something undeclared was planted in their 'minds'. All together means 'open source' model in strict interpretation is a myth, great idea which happen to be not. Like Turing test. > However, plenty of open source software exists. Attempt to switch topic detected. PS: as for that massive downvote, I even wasn't rude, don't care. This account will be abandoned soon regardless, like all before and after.
metadat 2y ago
The playground is a drag. After accepting being forced to sign up, attach my GitHub, and hand over my email address, I entered the desired prompt and waited with anticipation.. Only to see a black screen and how much it's going to cost per megapixel. Bummer. After seeing what was generated in the blog post I was excited to try it! Now feeling disappointed. I was hoping it'd be more like https://play.go.dev https://play.go.dev. Good luck.
- mft_ 2y ago
  https://replicate.com/black-forest-labs/flux-dev https://replicate.com/black-forest-labs/flux-dev is working very nicely. No sign-up.
  - Tepix 2y ago
    I was inspired by the SD3 problems to use this prompt: "a woman lying on her back wearing a blouse and shorts." But it wouldn't render the image - i instead got a NSFW warning. That's one way to hide the fact that it cannot render it properly i guess... PS: after a few tries it rendered "a woman lying on her back" correctly.
  - metadat 2y ago
    Thanks this one actually works, pretty amazing. Remarkably better than the "DrawThings" iPhone app (my only reference point).
    - liuliu 2y ago
      You should expect Flux model support in the next a few days coming to the app.
  - TheAceOfHearts 2y ago
    My go-to test for these tools so far has been the seven horned, seven eyed lamb mentioned in the Book of Revelation. Every tool I've tried has failed at this task.
RobotToaster 2y ago
If you are using the dev model, the licence isn't open source.
shubik22 2y ago
thanks for hosting the model! i created an account to try it out, you started emailing me with “important notice: low account balance - action required” and now it seems like there’s no way for me to unsubscribe or delete my account. is that the case? thanks!

tikkun 2y ago

> We are excited to introduce Flux I'd suggest re-wording the blog post intro, it reads as if it was created by Fal. Specific phrases to change: > Announcing Flux (from the title) > We are excited to introduce Flux > Flux comes in three powerful variations: This section also comes across as if you created it > We invite you to try Flux for yourself. Reads as if you're the creator

burkaygur 2y ago
Thanks for the feedback! Made some updates.
- tikkun 2y ago
  Way better, nice

nextos 2y ago

The name is a bit unfortunate given that Julia's most popular ML library is called Flux. See: https://fluxml.ai https://fluxml.ai. This library is quite well known, 3rd most starred project in Julia: https://juliapackages.com/packages?sort=stars https://juliapackages.com/packages?sort=stars. It has been around since, at least, 2016: https://github.com/FluxML/Flux.jl/graphs/code-frequency https://github.com/FluxML/Flux.jl/graphs/code-frequency.

refulgentis 2y ago
There was a looong distracting thread a month ago about something similar, niche language, might have been Julia, had a package with the same name as $NEW_THING. I hope this one doesn't stir as much discussion. It has 4000 stars, there isnt a large mass of people who view the world through the lens of "Flux is ML library". No one will end up in a "who is on first?" discussion because of it. If this line of argument is held sacrosanct, it ends up in an infinite loop until everyone gives up and starts using UUIDs.
- jachee 2y ago
  Eagerly waiting for this to happen in the medication names space. :)
- djbusby 2y ago
  Like the Go language that existed before Google Go.
  - Thorrez 2y ago
    It's named "Go!". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go!_(programming_language) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go!_(programming_language) Disclosure: I work at Google but not on the Go team.
temp_account_32 2y ago
i would give them a break, so many things exist in the tech sector that being completely original is basically impossible, unless you name your thing something nonsensical also search engines are context aware, if your search history is full of julia questions, it will know what you're searching for
msikora 2y ago
Also Flux is a now obsolete application architecture for ReactJS.
dheera 2y ago
I think we've generally run out of names to give projects and need to start reusing names. Maybe use letters to disambiguate them. Flux A is the ML library Flux B is the T2I model Flux C is the React library Flux D is the physics concept of power per unit area Flux E is the goo you put on solder

dabeeeenster 2y ago

The unsubscribe links in your emails don't work

vessenes 2y ago

Congrats Burkay - the model is very impressive. One area I’d like to see improved in a flux v2 is knowledge of artist styles. Flux cannot respond to requests asking for paintings in the style of David Hockney, Norman Rockwell, Edgar Degas, — it seems to have no fine art training at all. I’d bet that fine art training would further improve the compositional skills of the model, plus it would open up a range of uses that are (to me at least) a bit more interesting than just illustrations.

warkdarrior 2y ago
Have those artists given permission for their styles to be slurped up into a model?
- GaggiX 2y ago
  Give me a sec, I will contact Edgar Degas with my telegraph.
  - vessenes 2y ago
    Truly an API call I would pay for
- vessenes 2y ago
  Florentine art schools would like a word - they’ve been teaching painters by having them copy masters since the 16th century.
astrange 2y ago
It's "just" another diffusion model, although a very good one. Those people are probably in there even if its text encoder doesn't know about them. So you can find them with textual inversion.
whywhywhywhy 2y ago
>Flux cannot respond to requests asking for paintings in the style of David Hockney, Norman Rockwell Does it respond to any names? I noticed SD3 removed all names to prevent recreating famous people but as a side effect lost the very powerful ability to infer styles from artist names too.

frognumber 2y ago

It would be nice to understand limits of the free tier. I couldn't find that anywhere. I see pricing, but I'm generating images without swiping my credit card. If it's unlimited or "throttled for abuse," say that. Right now, I don't know if I can try it six times or experiment to my heart's desire.

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Hizonner 2y ago

You also might want to "clarify" that it is not open source (and neither are any of the other "open source" models). If you want to call it something, try "open weights", although the usage restrictions make even that a HUGE FUCKING STRETCH. Also, everybody should remember that these models are not copyrightable and you should never agree to any license for them...

astromaniak 2y ago
> it is not open source It would be nice here if you give some examples of what you call open source model. Please ;) Because the impression is that these things do not exist, it's just a dream which does not deserve such a nice term..
- Hizonner 2y ago
  As far as I know, none have been released. And it doesn't even really make sense, because, as I said, the models aren't copyrightable to begin with and therefore aren't licensable either. However, plenty of open source software exists. The fact that open source models don't exist doesn't excuse attempts to falsely claim the prestige of the phrase "open source".
  - kube-system 2y ago
    > the models aren't copyrightable to begin with What criteria for copyright protection are they missing?
  - astromaniak 2y ago
    > As far as I know, none have been released. I can tell you a secret. What you call 'open source' models are impossible. Because massive randomness is a part of training process. They are not reproducible. Having everything you cannot even tell if the given model was trained on the given dataset. Copyright is a different thing. And a bad news, what's coming is even worst. Those will be the whole things with self awareness and personal experience. They can be copied, but not reproduced. More over, it's hard or almost impossible to detect if something undeclared was planted in their 'minds'. All together means 'open source' model in strict interpretation is a myth, great idea which happen to be not. Like Turing test. > However, plenty of open source software exists. Attempt to switch topic detected. PS: as for that massive downvote, I even wasn't rude, don't care. This account will be abandoned soon regardless, like all before and after.

metadat 2y ago

The playground is a drag. After accepting being forced to sign up, attach my GitHub, and hand over my email address, I entered the desired prompt and waited with anticipation.. Only to see a black screen and how much it's going to cost per megapixel. Bummer. After seeing what was generated in the blog post I was excited to try it! Now feeling disappointed. I was hoping it'd be more like https://play.go.dev https://play.go.dev. Good luck.

mft_ 2y ago
https://replicate.com/black-forest-labs/flux-dev https://replicate.com/black-forest-labs/flux-dev is working very nicely. No sign-up.
- Tepix 2y ago
  I was inspired by the SD3 problems to use this prompt: "a woman lying on her back wearing a blouse and shorts." But it wouldn't render the image - i instead got a NSFW warning. That's one way to hide the fact that it cannot render it properly i guess... PS: after a few tries it rendered "a woman lying on her back" correctly.
- metadat 2y ago
  Thanks this one actually works, pretty amazing. Remarkably better than the "DrawThings" iPhone app (my only reference point).
  - liuliu 2y ago
    You should expect Flux model support in the next a few days coming to the app.
- TheAceOfHearts 2y ago
  My go-to test for these tools so far has been the seven horned, seven eyed lamb mentioned in the Book of Revelation. Every tool I've tried has failed at this task.

RobotToaster 2y ago

If you are using the dev model, the licence isn't open source.

shubik22 2y ago

thanks for hosting the model! i created an account to try it out, you started emailing me with “important notice: low account balance - action required” and now it seems like there’s no way for me to unsubscribe or delete my account. is that the case? thanks!