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I think this is extremely weird. If someone is allergic to nuts, and they’re being served ‘nut free’ food that has some traces of nuts in, and that sends them t

by Aeolun 2y ago

I think this is extremely weird. If someone is allergic to nuts, and they’re being served ‘nut free’ food that has some traces of nuts in, and that sends them to the emergency room people would lose their minds. If I were served boneless wings, and I found a 5cm bone in there it’d be far outside the bounds of expectation.

metadat 2y ago
Who's allergic to bones? Not just chokes on them, but truly has an allergy?
deelowe 2y ago
Two totally different scenarios.
dmix 2y ago
It's way easier to eliminate nuts being in or near the production line of a food product than it is to remove every single bone from something that inherently has bones, but even then: > The Nut Free labeling means the product does not contain nuts. However, it doesn't guarantee the snack was made inside a dedicated nut free facility. Whether or not the nut free product was created on the same production line as a non nut free snack, is unknown. https://www.nutfree.org/different-kinds-of-nut-free-labeling/ https://www.nutfree.org/different-kinds-of-nut-free-labeling... the label doesn't mean the process it was made was completely immune from contamination.
- oldkinglog 2y ago
  In the UK we've labelled things made in factories that also handle nuts since forever. I assume it's an EU thing that we never got rid of.
  - ronsor 2y ago
    Food products in the US have the same labelling.
- emrah 2y ago
  So don't label them as "boneless" then? :)
lolinder 2y ago
I'd never heard of boneless wings before this, but having had my share of wings I don't think I'd expect them to be 100% bone-free—I'd expect them to be devoid of the large bones that make up half of regular wings and make them difficult to eat. An occasional smaller bone is a different story and not something I'd ever be confident of avoiding in any piece of meat or fish. I guess I see it similarly to seedless watermelon. The large annoying seeds are (mostly) gone, but there are plenty of small white ones.
- MisterBastahrd 2y ago
  Boneless wings are a euphemism for a heavily battered, more expensive chicken nugget, which won't typically have any bones because of the way they are processed.
  - giantg2 2y ago
    Boneless wings are processed differently than chicken nuggets.
  - lolinder 2y ago
    From the ruling: > The record reflects that the boneless chicken wing consumed by Berkheimer was prepared from a boneless, skinless, chicken breast, which was manufactured by Wayne Farms and subsequently sold to REKM by GFS. It is undisputed that REKM prepared the chicken dish by cutting one of the chicken breasts into approximately one-inch sized cubes that were later fried. The chicken meat was not ground or further manipulated prior to serving; rather, the final product was "essentially[,] a breaded and fried piece of chicken breast." Sounds like these aren't that kind of boneless wing.
  - nkrisc 2y ago
    Chicken nuggets are typically ground or minced chicken formed into a nugget shape before being battered and fried. “Boneless” wings and the like are usually whole pieces of breast meat, in my experience. They’re more expensive, and rightfully so, than a chicken nugget because they’re whole pieces, not reclaimed scraps from processing chickens.
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bpodgursky 2y ago
It is only "far outside the bounds of expectation" if you have no world model of how your food is actually produced.
- derlvative 2y ago
  It's outside bounds of expectation if you know how language works. People expect products labelled "boneless" to have no bones. Words mean things.
  - powersnail 2y ago
    Well, I'd also expects "boneless wings" to be wings, but apparently that is not true, either. Product naming has become an area where "meaning" is no longer a thing. It's the sad reality where advertisement has replaced communication.
- Aeolun 2y ago
  I have no clue what ‘boneless wings’ are, having never seen or heard of them before. But I’m entirely confident about what ‘boneless’ means. Boneless (adjective): without a bone Apparently a lot of people feel that if I were to go into a store in the US and order a boneless chicken, I should expect it to have bones in. That doesn’t compute for me. http://www.quickmeme.com/img/e4/e417a00a1d7c6f84ec4b88cad9d29abae55f5f3e953dcdd49ec5a74288a23df9.jpg http://www.quickmeme.com/img/e4/e417a00a1d7c6f84ec4b88cad9d2...
aaron695 2y ago
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mizzack 2y ago
This is a lot more akin to finding a piece of a cherry/olive pit in a jar of pitted fruit. A reasonable attempt was made with natural products in play.
- amy-petrik-214 2y ago
  I agree. This type of article is internet forum argument fuel because the area is such grey, arguments on both size. Reminds me of the lady who got burned by McDonalds coffee like, bro, you spill hot coffee on you then you might get a burnt. She won that one. McDonalds keeps it hot for sterilization/safety. I'm guessing also there is diminishing returns to bone removal so removing 99.9% is much easier to do than removing 99.999999 percent. So it's like, do you do something that harms 1 in a million but makes it way cheaper or way safer for the rest, or avoid that harm but now people pay the price. My main thing here, equivalent to "bro why'd you spill coffee on yourself" is "bro, do you chew your food, because someone who chews their food would know there's a bone in it"
  - yjftsjthsd-h 2y ago
    > Reminds me of the lady who got burned by McDonalds coffee like, bro, you spill hot coffee on you then you might get a burnt. She won that one. McDonalds keeps it hot for sterilization/safety. That's a pretty misleading description; they lost that case because they knowingly kept their coffee far above a safe temperature to serve, there had been a string of previous cases proving that it was obviously unsafe, and their negligence landed a woman in the ER (followed by being in the hospital for over a week, followed by permanent disfigurement and being partially disabled for two years). ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liebeck_v._McDonald%27s_Restaurants https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liebeck_v._McDonald%27s_Restau... )
    - Aeolun 2y ago
      I think it is amazing you can get third degree burns from a bunch of 80-90 degree coffee dropped in your lap though. I would not have expected that.

by Aeolun 2y ago

metadat 2y ago

Who's allergic to bones? Not just chokes on them, but truly has an allergy?

deelowe 2y ago

Two totally different scenarios.

dmix 2y ago

It's way easier to eliminate nuts being in or near the production line of a food product than it is to remove every single bone from something that inherently has bones, but even then: > The Nut Free labeling means the product does not contain nuts. However, it doesn't guarantee the snack was made inside a dedicated nut free facility. Whether or not the nut free product was created on the same production line as a non nut free snack, is unknown. https://www.nutfree.org/different-kinds-of-nut-free-labeling/ https://www.nutfree.org/different-kinds-of-nut-free-labeling... the label doesn't mean the process it was made was completely immune from contamination.

oldkinglog 2y ago
In the UK we've labelled things made in factories that also handle nuts since forever. I assume it's an EU thing that we never got rid of.
- ronsor 2y ago
  Food products in the US have the same labelling.
emrah 2y ago
So don't label them as "boneless" then? :)

lolinder 2y ago

I'd never heard of boneless wings before this, but having had my share of wings I don't think I'd expect them to be 100% bone-free—I'd expect them to be devoid of the large bones that make up half of regular wings and make them difficult to eat. An occasional smaller bone is a different story and not something I'd ever be confident of avoiding in any piece of meat or fish. I guess I see it similarly to seedless watermelon. The large annoying seeds are (mostly) gone, but there are plenty of small white ones.

MisterBastahrd 2y ago
Boneless wings are a euphemism for a heavily battered, more expensive chicken nugget, which won't typically have any bones because of the way they are processed.
- giantg2 2y ago
  Boneless wings are processed differently than chicken nuggets.
- lolinder 2y ago
  From the ruling: > The record reflects that the boneless chicken wing consumed by Berkheimer was prepared from a boneless, skinless, chicken breast, which was manufactured by Wayne Farms and subsequently sold to REKM by GFS. It is undisputed that REKM prepared the chicken dish by cutting one of the chicken breasts into approximately one-inch sized cubes that were later fried. The chicken meat was not ground or further manipulated prior to serving; rather, the final product was "essentially[,] a breaded and fried piece of chicken breast." Sounds like these aren't that kind of boneless wing.
- nkrisc 2y ago
  Chicken nuggets are typically ground or minced chicken formed into a nugget shape before being battered and fried. “Boneless” wings and the like are usually whole pieces of breast meat, in my experience. They’re more expensive, and rightfully so, than a chicken nugget because they’re whole pieces, not reclaimed scraps from processing chickens.
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bpodgursky 2y ago

It is only "far outside the bounds of expectation" if you have no world model of how your food is actually produced.

derlvative 2y ago
It's outside bounds of expectation if you know how language works. People expect products labelled "boneless" to have no bones. Words mean things.
- powersnail 2y ago
  Well, I'd also expects "boneless wings" to be wings, but apparently that is not true, either. Product naming has become an area where "meaning" is no longer a thing. It's the sad reality where advertisement has replaced communication.
Aeolun 2y ago
I have no clue what ‘boneless wings’ are, having never seen or heard of them before. But I’m entirely confident about what ‘boneless’ means. Boneless (adjective): without a bone Apparently a lot of people feel that if I were to go into a store in the US and order a boneless chicken, I should expect it to have bones in. That doesn’t compute for me. http://www.quickmeme.com/img/e4/e417a00a1d7c6f84ec4b88cad9d29abae55f5f3e953dcdd49ec5a74288a23df9.jpg http://www.quickmeme.com/img/e4/e417a00a1d7c6f84ec4b88cad9d2...

aaron695 2y ago

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mizzack 2y ago

This is a lot more akin to finding a piece of a cherry/olive pit in a jar of pitted fruit. A reasonable attempt was made with natural products in play.

amy-petrik-214 2y ago
I agree. This type of article is internet forum argument fuel because the area is such grey, arguments on both size. Reminds me of the lady who got burned by McDonalds coffee like, bro, you spill hot coffee on you then you might get a burnt. She won that one. McDonalds keeps it hot for sterilization/safety. I'm guessing also there is diminishing returns to bone removal so removing 99.9% is much easier to do than removing 99.999999 percent. So it's like, do you do something that harms 1 in a million but makes it way cheaper or way safer for the rest, or avoid that harm but now people pay the price. My main thing here, equivalent to "bro why'd you spill coffee on yourself" is "bro, do you chew your food, because someone who chews their food would know there's a bone in it"
- yjftsjthsd-h 2y ago
  > Reminds me of the lady who got burned by McDonalds coffee like, bro, you spill hot coffee on you then you might get a burnt. She won that one. McDonalds keeps it hot for sterilization/safety. That's a pretty misleading description; they lost that case because they knowingly kept their coffee far above a safe temperature to serve, there had been a string of previous cases proving that it was obviously unsafe, and their negligence landed a woman in the ER (followed by being in the hospital for over a week, followed by permanent disfigurement and being partially disabled for two years). ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liebeck_v._McDonald%27s_Restaurants https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liebeck_v._McDonald%27s_Restau... )
  - Aeolun 2y ago
    I think it is amazing you can get third degree burns from a bunch of 80-90 degree coffee dropped in your lap though. I would not have expected that.