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This does absolutely nothing to compare it to violence against men. Without a comparison, for all we know, its far less than the crime against men. Now, I am n

This does absolutely nothing to compare it to violence against men. Without a comparison, for all we know, its far less than the crime against men. Now, I am not diminishing anything stated in this article. Im purely stating this article does a very poor job of conveying how the numbers they present are statistically significant outside their immediate domain. Isn't this just pandering?

henry2023 2y ago
Maybe violence in general could be increasing and this is only looking at a subset of the data. Moreover, YouTube for example gives a platform and profits from a lot and I mean a lot of misogynistic content. IMO all this hate will eventually reach the day-to-day life and could be causing what this article suggests.
- byteknight 2y ago
  This is a change of argument and I won't be engaging in it.
moi2388 2y ago
“ Although there were no differences in the likelihood of CSEW headline victimisation by sex, women were more likely to experience sexual assault, stalking, harassment and domestic abuse” https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/articles/crimeinenglandandwalesvictimcharacteristics/yearendingmarch2023 https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeand...
- leereeves 2y ago
  If there's no difference in the overall rate, but women are more likely to experience certain kinds of violence, then men must be more likely to experience some other kinds.
mikhael28 2y ago
It’s an article about how violence against women is increasing. How is violence against men relevant here? Do you consider the needs of women so little, that you consider discussion of issues involving them irrelevant unless in the context of how they compare to the issues of men?
- mmh0000 2y ago
  Society places a lot of care and concern about women, but when a man has a problem, they're usually told something along the lines of "Just suck it up, buttercup." It's easy to see how a subset of men would be angry and sick of women getting all the social awareness while men are left to rot. I don't know what the answer is, and I don't even know if I have a good definition of the overall problem. However, there are clearly problems that aren't being addressed, and if left untouched, they will be no good for society.
  - orwin 2y ago
    > when a man has a problem, they're usually told something along the lines of "Just suck it up, buttercup." I thought that too, then asked for help once, and was rewarded for it: my belief was wrong. My psychologist then told me that before 'toxic masculinity' was used by 3rd wave feminists (the 'empowerment' movement), it was a psychologist term used for men who refused help because of this 'i'll be told to suck it up' belief, term created in the wake of the Vietnam War and PTSD. Our masculinity become toxic once it makes us believe we aren't allowed to fail, cry or ask for help. Basically. He explained it way better, sorry.
  - mikhael28 2y ago
    When is the last time you tried asking anyone for help, about anything, and was told 'suck it up'?
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- xigoi 2y ago
  The point is that the article is pointlessly gendered. Why focus specifically on violence against women?
kelseyfrog 2y ago
I've lived a life in both shoes, it's not worse for men. Sorry, I'm sure it feels this way some times, but unless you've lived a life in both shoes, it's not coming from a place of experience.
- Steven420 2y ago
  Could you give us some more details?
  - kelseyfrog 2y ago
    I transitioned several years ago. They are two different worlds.
- anonfordays 2y ago
  >I've lived a life in both shoes No you haven't. >but unless you've lived a life in both shoes Which isn't possible. Just like it's not possible to live life as a goldfish, but we have great understanding of how goldfish live. >it's not worse for men All statistics on violent crime, deaths due to crime, deaths due to workplace violence, deaths due to workplace accidents, homelessness, etc. all show that men are the primary victims. >it's not coming from a place of experience. Anecdotal evidence is meaningless at population scale. Luckily we have population statistics that provide us the objective truth.
  - kelseyfrog 2y ago
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  - aidou 2y ago
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    - kelseyfrog 2y ago
      I have years of personal experience being female. It's two different worlds. Happy to take any questions.

henry2023 2y ago

Maybe violence in general could be increasing and this is only looking at a subset of the data. Moreover, YouTube for example gives a platform and profits from a lot and I mean a lot of misogynistic content. IMO all this hate will eventually reach the day-to-day life and could be causing what this article suggests.

byteknight 2y ago
This is a change of argument and I won't be engaging in it.

moi2388 2y ago

“ Although there were no differences in the likelihood of CSEW headline victimisation by sex, women were more likely to experience sexual assault, stalking, harassment and domestic abuse” https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/articles/crimeinenglandandwalesvictimcharacteristics/yearendingmarch2023 https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeand...

leereeves 2y ago
If there's no difference in the overall rate, but women are more likely to experience certain kinds of violence, then men must be more likely to experience some other kinds.

mikhael28 2y ago

It’s an article about how violence against women is increasing. How is violence against men relevant here? Do you consider the needs of women so little, that you consider discussion of issues involving them irrelevant unless in the context of how they compare to the issues of men?

mmh0000 2y ago
Society places a lot of care and concern about women, but when a man has a problem, they're usually told something along the lines of "Just suck it up, buttercup." It's easy to see how a subset of men would be angry and sick of women getting all the social awareness while men are left to rot. I don't know what the answer is, and I don't even know if I have a good definition of the overall problem. However, there are clearly problems that aren't being addressed, and if left untouched, they will be no good for society.
- orwin 2y ago
  > when a man has a problem, they're usually told something along the lines of "Just suck it up, buttercup." I thought that too, then asked for help once, and was rewarded for it: my belief was wrong. My psychologist then told me that before 'toxic masculinity' was used by 3rd wave feminists (the 'empowerment' movement), it was a psychologist term used for men who refused help because of this 'i'll be told to suck it up' belief, term created in the wake of the Vietnam War and PTSD. Our masculinity become toxic once it makes us believe we aren't allowed to fail, cry or ask for help. Basically. He explained it way better, sorry.
- mikhael28 2y ago
  When is the last time you tried asking anyone for help, about anything, and was told 'suck it up'?
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xigoi 2y ago
The point is that the article is pointlessly gendered. Why focus specifically on violence against women?

kelseyfrog 2y ago

I've lived a life in both shoes, it's not worse for men. Sorry, I'm sure it feels this way some times, but unless you've lived a life in both shoes, it's not coming from a place of experience.

Steven420 2y ago
Could you give us some more details?
- kelseyfrog 2y ago
  I transitioned several years ago. They are two different worlds.
anonfordays 2y ago
>I've lived a life in both shoes No you haven't. >but unless you've lived a life in both shoes Which isn't possible. Just like it's not possible to live life as a goldfish, but we have great understanding of how goldfish live. >it's not worse for men All statistics on violent crime, deaths due to crime, deaths due to workplace violence, deaths due to workplace accidents, homelessness, etc. all show that men are the primary victims. >it's not coming from a place of experience. Anecdotal evidence is meaningless at population scale. Luckily we have population statistics that provide us the objective truth.
- kelseyfrog 2y ago
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- aidou 2y ago
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  - kelseyfrog 2y ago
    I have years of personal experience being female. It's two different worlds. Happy to take any questions.