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X.com refuses to open with Firefox strict tracking protection enabled
- ggm 2y agoIs this driving to a hand curated list of site:{permitted,...} exclusions?
- ranger_danger 2y agoall x/twitter links have been login-walled for me for quite some time now, probably since around the time Elon took over, so I just stopped clicking any links or visiting the site entirely... since I literally can't if I wanted to anyways (I refuse to make an account and nitter stopped working).
- aydyn 2y ago[flagged]
- nitinreddy88 2y agoWhy should I make an account?
- aaron695 2y ago[dead]
- ranger_danger 2y agoprivacy
- eqvinox 2y agoI, for one, don't make accounts on services with a hate speech rate as high as current Twitter. I'd consider an account an indirect endorsement.
- ranger_danger 2y agoWhat is wrong with respecting people's right to have opinions you don't like? Isn't that what everyone wanted?
- celdon25 2y agoFree speech is hate speech according to some Edit: I just committed hate speech!
- meroes 2y agoTech bros. Never change
- eqvinox 2y agoNah my dude, HN just doesn't respond kindly to stupid comments.
- celdon25 2y agolol, not true. You get -4 points at the max. I downvote many stupid comments a day and the hordes just keep coming. Look at all the so-called "researchers" complaining about "open weights" in all the AI threads for exhibit A.
- OhMeadhbh 2y agono.
- bee_rider 2y agoYou have the right to say what you want, and the right to not associate with people who say certain types of things. Free speech doesn’t mean everybody has to hang around and listen.
- eqvinox 2y agoRespect and endorsement are not the same thing. Also, when tolerance is the goal, there must be an intolerance against intolerance - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance
- kevinventullo 2y agoIt’s like asking why do you refuse to start smoking cigarettes
- forgot-im-old 2y agoElon is pursuing people he doesn't like and using X data to do so.
- EdwardDiego 2y agoFor the same reason I don't have a Medium account, a Substack account, a Guardian account, a Wired account etc. I might pop in to read the content occasionally, but I'm not looking to interact with other users or comment on things. I'd make an account if I did want to do so, but just to view content? Nah, why. Any site that forces you to make an account to view content is doing it for their benefit, not yours.
- heraldgeezer 2y agoI cant make a new account as my old one got banned and they also banned my phone number so I cannot make a new one anyway.
- jimnotgym 2y agoDid you do something extreme, like discussing Donald Trump rather than hero worshipping him?
- heraldgeezer 2y agoThis was way back before Musk. I suspect my account got hacked, but I was able to login and just delete it. Did not think about it, but now if I make a new one with my phone number it errors out on the phone part.
- ScottJacksonB1 2y agohttps://www.facebook.com/abdulazeez.muhammadjamiu.18 https://www.facebook.com/abdulazeez.muhammadjamiu.18 Drop a message for him on Facebook for fast and secured recovery
- Tepix 2y agoThat's the problem with Firefox these days: The management has been so bad that the market share tanked and now market actors can afford to block FF users who are privacy conscious without risking a big outcry. A sign of things to come…
- eqvinox 2y agoI don't think Twitter's policy is a great indicator, though in general I agree it's a bad situation with this quasi-monopoly of Chrome-y browsers.
- OutOfHere 2y agoIn fairness, Strict Tracking Protection is not a Firefox problem; it is very clearly a Firefox feature. The problem is the sites. X is not really an important site anyway.
- ranger_danger 2y agoI don't think most people in the world would agree with your definition of important. Perhaps you believe that's a good thing anyways. Not sure where I was going with that.
- SapporoChris 2y agoThe jury is still out, but there are a lot of articles that are claiming that social media is harmful. Adds stress, harms mood, contributes to anxiety and depression. The threat to privacy is well documented. It's enough for a some people to consider such websites as not important, at least to them.
- CamperBob2 2y agoIf important people would just quit fucking using it, it wouldn't be an important site. Unfortunately, and astoundingly, nobody has bothered to create anything remotely competitive with Xitter, even at this late date.
- drooopy 2y agoStrict tracking in firefox blocks the following: Social media trackers, Cross-site cookies in all windows, Tracking content in all windows, Cryptominers, Known and suspected fingerprinters. I wouldn't wanna use a site that relies on any of the above to function anyway.
- AnthonyMouse 2y agoThe question is, what's going on here? Is this Firefox blocking some path/subdomain/cookie on x.com because it's used by their tracking widget, but the same is also used by some important part of the site itself, so it's essentially a false positive and Mozilla need to adjust the filter to be more specific? Or is the site detecting the ad blocker and purposely refusing to load?
- cmeacham98 2y agoI don't know specifically for X/Twitter, but typically it isn't actively malicious but instead just bad programming. The JS is written in a way that breaks when the <tracking/ad/whatever is blocked> fails to load.
- NewJazz 2y agoThis is a complete guess, but it could have to do with the twitter.com -> x.com migration. Still trying to load twitter.com assets, which are now third party.
- ctrust 2y agoA similar refusal is observed on Mobile Safari.
- emsign 2y agoI'd keep Firefox and ditch the other. No second thoughts at all.
- quaintdev 2y agoPretty sure this is sentiment of the crowd here. But I'm not sure if the general public will see it that way.
- decremental 2y ago[dead]
- manuelmoreale 2y agoI doubt the general public uses Firefox with strict tracking turned on (unfortunately)
- adra 2y agoLet's be honest, the general public isn't using Firefox, isn't using x.com and has never heard of hacker News and if taught, they'd be afraid you were trying to scam them. We live in a pretty deep filter bubble.
- manuelmoreale 2y agoAbsolutely agree on that and I personally always try to keep in mind that HN is a weird bubble when it comes to tech but especially when it comes to things related to either money or society.
- sunaookami 2y agoIn the US every 2nd person uses Twitter. Firefox is only used by 7% in the US.
- manuelmoreale 2y agoSo according to most numbers I see floating online it’s not every other person in the US. I’m seeing a bit more than 100M on a population of 330M. All this is if we trust the numbers coming out of Twitter. But still, 30% is more than 7%.
- dotcoma 2y agoIf using OSX and you think X is important, keep Firefox and use XDeck https://github.com/morishin/XDeck https://github.com/morishin/XDeck
- trte9343r4 2y agoMany sites do not work with javascript disabled. This has been problem for decades. This is not any different.
- Springtime 2y agoThat Firefox setting doesn't disable Javascript. I use it on a Firefox fork for Android and about the only noticeable difference I've seen is sites aren't given the `prefers-color-scheme` value, so dark themes can't be auto detected.
- db48x 2y agoIt also does a few other things, such as reporting your timezone as UTC instead of the real value. It’s an attempt to reduce the number of things that sites can use to distinguish you from other users.
- OhMeadhbh 2y agoSo I get strict tracking protection and I can't open Twitter, no matter how hard I try? I'm not sure I see the downside.
- xyst 2y agoFeature :)
- OhMeadhbh 2y ago"works as designed. will not fix."
- blfr 2y agoTwitter is by far the best source of news and analysis currently. Outpaced only in some areas by niche, usually also crowd-sourced, sites like HN. A week ago twitter had pictures and videos from several angles of assasination attempt on Trump when media still reported "an incident." The difference is wild. Ditching twitter is like going back from old-school news tv to a telegraph. Anyway, I have strict tracking protection enabled and x.com loads fine. Firefox 128 on Ubuntu, official snap.
- manuelmoreale 2y agoI’m gonna take your words at face value and ask you a question: what do you gain in gettin access to that news a few minutes in advance?
- blfr 2y agoFirst, it was hours. Second, I'm there more for the tpot/schizo/alternative content. Most importantly though, it's not just a couple hours of difference, but the content is different: raw, with live comments (from the people you follow pulled up), memes, etc. It's the vibe you used to find on usenet and then blogosphere.
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- btreecat 2y agoHey, remember that time you didn't obsess over a bunch of para-social relationships on a platform that monetizes your attention? The only thing keeping twitter relevant is the fact that you keep opening the website/app.
- newzisforsukas 2y ago> para-social parasocial* Many don't follow people, just institutions and publications for news.
- Kiro 2y ago"Para-social" is fine and in fact how it was written when it was coined in 1956.
- deleted 2y ago[deleted]
- newzisforsukas 2y agoSure, although, not the common modern spelling.
- saghm 2y agoIt's important to always use the original spelling, especially when sending an E-mail on the Internet.
- quectophoton 2y ago> The only thing keeping twitter relevant is the fact that you keep opening the website/app. It's still big on anime-style artists, sadly. At least in my bubble. Mastodon had its chance, MissKey had its chance, BlueSky[1] had its chance, but none caught on. Trying to commission good anime-style art without having to create a Xitter account has been difficult[2] for a while. Last time I searched, artists either said "DM me on Twitter", or had an email address but weren't open to comms at that moment. Nowadays there's a few invite-only platforms (owned by shady companies) that makes all this easier, but only works if the artist has been invited there already. [1]: While writing this I couldn't even remember this name and had to pause ~20-30 seconds until it came to me. [2]: My search was limited to "artists who also stream" to reduce the chance of scams, so that filtered out a lot from the beginning.
- bdjsiqoocwk 2y agoWhy are you complaining? Shouldn't you be happy that Firefox is working on your behalf in the manner you asked if to?
- Svip 2y agohttps://nitter.poast.org https://nitter.poast.org is a working Nitter instance. Only problem I have in Firefox is watching videos shared on Twitter.
- hakanderyal 2y agoI can’t open X on mobile safari for some time now.
- dbg31415 2y agoBeen 3-4 months since it worked with Firefox Focus.
- input_sh 2y agoDo you log in to the site with Firefox Focus?
- jfernandezr 2y agoFirefox Focus works great. I have it set as the default browser in iOS and use it for browsing sites and opening pages from Feedly or other applications. As soon as I close it, say goodbye to cookies and all tracking info. It's like a private browsing browser. If I need to go to a site and log in, then I use Firefox with standard protection (and then use the built-in password manager). But I do 95% of browsing in mobile that I want private, so FF Focus is a gift.
- msravi 2y agoWorks fine for me on Firefox mobile with strict tracking protection enabled.
- hatenberg 2y agoOn IOS that's just Safari with a firefox logo...
- hbogert 2y agoif that were the case, i wouldn't have such problems with client certificates.
- heraldgeezer 2y agoNot real Firefox. This post means Firefox on a desktop OS that is not crippled and Android.
- jhgvhi 2y ago[dead]
- godelski 2y agoI have strict enabled and I have no problem accessing. I even switched off, back on, and restarted the browser. On Mac Air M2 with FF 128.0 FWIW Other users also noted Safari doesn't load and I couldn't reproduce. Edit: I guess maybe a good context for a friendly reminder. You can use revanced to edit the Twitter APK and you can hide adds and sanitize sharing links (dear god, tracking links are so ridiculous sometimes. Am I the only one who is annoyed when I get a text that's a single link and is like 10k characters? With how much time and money these companies spend on UX I'm surprised this is okay. Seriously, can you all stop doing this? I know some users here are the same people in charge of design)
- jhgvhi 2y ago[dead]
- viraptor 2y agoIf anyone has a problem where Twitter does open for them on Firefox, I found the LeechBlock extension to be very useful. Took less than a week for the muscle memory of opening it to go away.
- undebuggable 2y agoYes, it's been for some time now. This solved my problem of reading X (former Twitter).
- jak2k 2y agoThere is a solution, but don't use it, use mastodon: In the settings, enable Firefox containers. This allows you to seperate the cookies of X from all other sites. Also install uBlockOrigin to block all trackers on X itself.
- diego_sandoval 2y agoActually, don't use Mastodon either, it's full of the same low quality commentary that you find on Twitter.
- Sammi 2y agoMastodon doesn't have a fraction of the ground sources that Twitter has. You go to Twitter because that's where the people who know shit and tell you about shit are. It has nothing to do with Twitter itself. It's just network effects. I get why you're annoyed at Twitter (Elon) - I am too, and I still call it Twitter - but there just doesn't exist anything like Twitter. It's the only place where you can ask CEOs and CTOs questions directly. Where you can learn about what is actually happening on the ground in Ukraine from first hand reports from people who are there. Where you hear subject matter experts debating strongly in favor and against all matter of topics. It's sad that it's the only place like it, but it is.
- diego_sandoval 2y agoI've disliked Twitter since way before Elon acquired it. And I actually really like Elon as a person, even if I disagree with a lot of things that he's doing with Twitter, because I didn't really care about Twitter to begin with. Fundamentally, what I don't like about Twitter is the low signal-to-noise ratio. Even if you try to curate the people you follow, Twitter will find a way to push useless stuff in front of you, and even the people who post interesting stuff tend to post pointless stuff from time to time because of the prevailing culture in Twitter. And I also don't assign a lot of value to accessing ground sources in real time. If anything, I think people care too much about being up to date on everything.
- 0x2a 2y ago
- jszymborski 2y agoEncountered this today. Looks like I'll be refusing to open X.
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- Duanemclemore 2y agoIt's the best feature I've found in the update! eta: iirc my original account number was in the 100,000's. I used the platform since I was sending to 40404 and getting tweets from friends by sms until melon husk bought it. I was a big fan. It's become a pathetic shadow of itself.
- arisu 2y agoThere's better alternatives. Why would anybody in their right mind stay on X?
- seestem 2y agonetwork effects
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- Animats 2y agoAnd nothing at all was lost.
- ChrisArchitect 2y agoIs this new or outstanding from when they switched the domain over two months ago and Firefox experienced problems? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40386418 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40386418
- b0ner_t0ner 2y agoJust redirect to Nitter: // ==UserScript== // @name Redirect to Nitter // @version 1.0 // @description Automatically redirect from twitter to nitter // @match *://twitter.com/* // @match *://x.com/* // @run-at document-start // ==/UserScript== (function() { const nitterInstance = 'nitter.poast.org' location.href = `https://${nitterInstance}` + location.pathname // + '&' + location.search })();
- 1vuio0pswjnm7 2y agoFor clients without Javascript interpreters I use a local forward proxy for redirects. I do not like large, graphical browsers. Note nitter.poast.org will no longer accept HTTP/1.0. One can also use elon.cucked.me as alternative name. If omit a browser-like user-agent string, then will hit a non-Google CAPTCHA and receive a session cookie. Nevertheless, the last remaining "Nitter" instance is still going strong.
- egberts1 2y agoYep. Even Webkit-variant of Firefox on iOS: x.com got blocked too
- reify 2y agoGood! Why would anyone want to use X in the first place when HN has far better conversations and better people. More balanced and erudite than over there. Just stay here and dump X GO ON I DARE YOU
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- steve1977 2y agoPeople are still using Twitter? Why?
- CodeWriter23 2y agoWorks fine for me with "Enhanced Tracking Protection" set to "Strict" ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
- Larrikin 2y agoEveryday theres some entity I used to look to Twitter to see news about them, and then I find out they decided not to pay some multiplier of tens of thousands of dollars a month. If I can't use Twitter on Firefox now, thats fine.
- LMYahooTFY 2y agoWho pays tens of thousands to use Twitter?
- Larrikin 2y agoEvery single company that wants to have an official account
- nnbvvklduwiw282 2y agoneither in safari w/ privacy extensions
- indulona 2y agoOoooooh, now this is funny. I thought twitter just garden-walled itself like all the social networks do to be essentially intranet. I've not been on twitter since(since, you know, I can't see anything). Now i learn it is a cookie issue. Haha, well. Nothing o value was lost.
- gorgoiler 2y agoUnfortunately, the latest build of Firefox Focus for iOS — what ought to be Safari plus all of the good parts of Firefox’s tracker blocking — seems to now allow x.com to open. I’ve also started seeing ads where they were blocked before (e.g. theguardian.com.)
- heraldgeezer 2y agoFirefox Focus is not an adblocking browser. It blocks tracking.
- hexo 2y agoI refuse to open twitter while its called x and contains toxic owner.
- bdjsiqoocwk 2y agoWhat do you mean? Enron Musk is just doing it to improve the world.
- itvision 2y agoDisqus [comments] hasn't worked with STP for months. Neither Mozilla, nor Disqus itself cares.
- Roan90 2y agoGood
- nottorp 2y agoThat's okay, it doesn't work* without a login anyway, tracking protection on or off. * as in you can't see the whole thread when people give you a twitter link if you don't have an account.
- shafyy 2y agoNot on X anymore, but I just tried with Firefox strict tracking protection enabled on Mac and it opens (not logged in or anything).
- rwmj 2y agoIt's been like this for a while. You can prefix archive.today/ in front of xitter links if you really want to open them.
- LightBug1 2y agoGood.
- lkdfjlkdfjlg 2y agoHmmm guys, twitter opens on my Firefox. How can I fix it?
- pbzm 2y agoWe've fixed this issue on the Firefox side ~2 months ago. Here is the bug: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1897379 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1897379 It's possible that you have an extension installed that blocks e.g. Twitter's CDN. We've seen issues like that with the Disconnect Firefox extension.
- renonce 2y agoSo if I understand correctly, this puts x.com under the same entity as twitter.com so third party cookies are allowed between x.com and other twitter sites?
- pbzm 2y agoFirefox partitions (and soon blocks) 3rd party cookies by default. That means they can't be used for cross-site tracking. Also not across different top level sites belonging to Twitter / X. The entity configuration for ETP does not change anything here. The bug we fixed was in ETP, an older mechanism in Firefox, which blocks cookie access for known trackers, based on a list. Only for that mechanism we consider a hand full of domains by Twitter / X to be the same party. This is so we e.g. don't block their CDN if you're on x.com. We still block them on sites not belonging to Twitter / X. This is especially relevant for ETP strict which does not only block cookie and storage access, but also blocks 3rd party loads from known trackers altogether. If we block Twitter's CDN on x.com the site breaks.
- anticensor 2y agoThis fix is no longer relevant as they no longer use twitter.com as of later today.
- matteocontrini 2y agoSource? I can still use twitter.com normally on Firefox.
- moomin 2y agoI feel like this is sheer incompetence on Twitter’s part. Some ad blocker I have on my iPhone stops Twitter from working and has for several months. It hasn’t prevented * Me seeing adverts on Twitter * Me being tracked by Twitter. It’s yet another half-assed change in Twitter and it turns out that the technical incompetence of it has been my final straw. I’ve been trying to kick the habit for years but Twitter have finally done the job for me.
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- sys_64738 2y agoI'm OK with never visiting Twitter again.
- geekraver 2y agoFriends don’t let friends use 4Chan - I mean X
- iowemoretohim 2y agoHow will the remaining 97% of users handle this? /s It's a bug on Firefox's end related to the twitter.com > x.com migration.
- butz 2y agoGood thing there are alternative websites to visit and actually read something positive and interesting.