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Why does the US still have sanctions on them anyway? The missile crisis was 50 years ago. It's time to forgive.
by wkat4242 2y ago
Why does the US still have sanctions on them anyway? The missile crisis was 50 years ago. It's time to forgive.
- stackskipton 2y agoPolitics. Florida used to be swing state in Presidential Elections. The Cuban community in Florida loses their shit if President talks about lifting the sanctions and will vote other way. If all Cubans had settled in California or Wyoming, we likely would have lifted sanctions a long time ago since they wouldn't have as much political power. It's why we lifted sanctions on Vietnam so long ago. Vietnamese who fled mostly immigrated to California and can't impact California voting Democrat.
- rqtwteye 2y agoIt almost seems the Cuban exiles want the people they left behind in Cuba to suffer as much as possible. What else have the sanctions achieved?
- stackskipton 2y agoThere seems to be a belief that if sanctions remain THIS YEAR, regime change will come to Cuba. It didn't work. Well, NEXT YEAR they will, they have to! Repeat for 50 years. Most people fleeing Cuba blame current regime for their suffering with good reason. So they have a desire to see it overthrown.
- LtWorf 2y ago[flagged]
- logicchains 2y agoNobody made south America poor; like every continent poverty was the natural state. South America just did a worse job at developing the infrastructure, rule of law, institutions and culture necessary to lift itself out of poverty as fast as north America. With the exception of Argentina, which after WW2 was one of the richest countries in the world, but through bad political choices ended up impoverishing itself.
- actionfromafar 2y agoIdle thought - I wonder how much the German contingent had to do with these choices.
- marcosdumay 2y agoThat quite a wild thing to say about an entire continent whose politics were almost completely manipulated by some 2 powerful countries after WW2. > which after WW2 was one of the richest countries in the world Oh yeah, I wonder what changed then.
- bugglebeetle 2y agoIf you have any desire to not be remarkably ignorant of 20th century history, I’d suggest spending a few minutes reading about who in North America did a bunch of coups and otherwise created the conditions for a lack of rule of law in South America.
- LtWorf 2y agoIt's entirely their fault if the CIA keeps giving money to terrorists. No other country is involved with that.
- seanmcdirmid 2y agoWhat does South America have to do with Cuba? And why do you assume that South America is poor? Much of South America enjoys a high standard of living, and is nowhere near as poor as most of Central America, for example, and definitely much richer than Africa.
- labrador 2y agoI'm surprised at this take. It seems readily apparent that Cuban exiles want their countrymen and women to be free from state communist control and have the ability to speak their mind, practice economic freedom and their religion, which is I understand is very Catholic from Spanish influences. I don't know how you can say Cuban exiles want the people they left behind to suffer.
- rqtwteye 2y agoI am saying that because the sanctions haven't achieved anything positive for the last decades. At some point people just have to admit that they don't work but cause a lot of suffering. I bet if the US traded with Cuba, the communist regime would quickly fall apart like the Eastern block did.
- kgwgk 2y agoThat's right. US trade with China has exploded in the last couple of decades and China's communist regime is falling apart quickly.
- more_corn 2y agoPeople who left want to put pressure on the government that they hate and they don’t mind sanctioning the people to do it.
- vundercind 2y agoA bunch of Floridians who are, or are descended from, folks who had their land and businesses seized during the revolution are holding grudges and won’t let go of them until they’re given their stuff back or a ton of money, which, this far on, isn’t happening. Florida is important in Presidential elections. US elections are structured such that dumb stuff like a relatively small—but loud—and also hopeless interest in a single US state can influence policy and make a whole bunch more lives worse for no good reason. AFAIK that’s basically the story.
- zdragnar 2y agoI think that's really underselling the political persecution that many have suffered in Cuba. It's far and away from just wanting reparations for land grabs. We have sanctions on Cuba for the same reason we have sanctions on Russia and Venezuela now- we don't want to fund what their government is doing, and allying with them gives us little to nothing in return. That said, it's pretty obvious that economic sanctions aren't bringing about regime change. I don't think anyone has the stomach for putting boots on the ground, though.
- joshlemer 2y agoIt may not in the short or medium term cause regime change, but sufficiently large sanctions on a country do stop it from growing in influence, wealth and power. Eventually, after some number of generations, Cuba could be so poor in comparison to the rising tide of the rest of the world, that it's not even able to defend itself or maintain government control. At some point, the disparity in power becomes overwhelming and you have super high tech society surrounding stone age cave men.
- dullcrisp 2y agoCan that really happen? Won’t one of the visiting tourists bring news of the wheel or what have you eventually? Seems more likely sanctions would cause a steady state where the sanctioned country is some n months/years behind where it would otherwise be, speaking as a complete geopolitical layman anyway.
- idontwantthis 2y agoObama began easing them and opened up travel and then Trump put them all back to win Florida. Democrats took an L for freedom, prosperity and common sense and Republicans capitalized to win back the presidency.
- joshlemer 2y ago62 years ago.
- ks2048 2y agoThe message is: if you refuse to be our puppet state and play by our rules, we will destroy you for as long as it takes. Anyone who believes the US acts to punish evil authoritarians in defense of freedom and democracy is delusional. Look at our allies in the middle east.
- riffic 2y agomore than 60 years ago actually.
- dimitrios1 2y agohttps://thehill.com/opinion/4723678-cuba-russian-relations-come-full-circle-why-us-policy-must-reflect-this-reality/ https://thehill.com/opinion/4723678-cuba-russian-relations-c...
- sremani 2y agoA hostile regime 90 miles from US mainland will be treated differently. Cuba is not some vanilla leftist regime that has no love for America. Cuban intelligence and elite for the past 50 years have been active subverting US interests. A unilateral withdrawal of sanctions would mean rewarding bad behavior. Do not let the small size of Cuba underestimate them, they are behind all major anti-American activity in Latin America. They were are major force supporting Maduro in Venezuela. Why does not the Communist regime in Cuba "open up"? Because they know the day Cuba becomes a multiparty state with elections -- they have to run out of the country. Both Cuban and Venezuelan elite along with many Caribbean states are active in Drug Dealings and Money Laundering. Yes, the hawks in US have a role but they are not only active players, there are hawks in Cuba too.
- rubytubido 2y ago> A unilateral withdrawal of sanctions would mean rewarding bad behavior. Do something horrible to your neighbour - be surprised that he doesn't keep good behaviour torwards you.
- dakiol 2y agoWhy did the US drop 2 nuclear bombs on Japan? Why the US is keeping Israel as their toy? Why the US entered the Vietnam war (hint: no, not to avoid the spread of communism). US is the bad boy of this planet, just because they can.
- rangestransform 2y agoAll that I have to say about this is that it’s a shame that the people of the US and western “imperialist” world do not reap more benefits from this
- Gibbon1 2y ago> Why did the US drop 2 nuclear bombs on Japan? Japan declared war on the US. Didn't surrender when it became obvious they were going to lose and instead decided to inflict as many casualties on the as they could on the way down. So they got nuked. > Why the US is keeping Israel as their toy? The US inherited a lot of messes after WWII. Not really the US fault the Palestinians always make bad choices. > Why the US entered the Vietnam war (hint: no, not to avoid the spread of communism) Hint you are 100% self servingly wrong about that. > US is the bad boy of this planet, just because they can I've come to the opinion people that say this are upset that the US stands in the way of some nastiness they want to inflict on someone.
- rubytubido 2y agoBut they did it to protect the planet. We need to enforce "democracy" and spread capitalism.
- Log_out_ 2y agoHope you do get paid faster in rubles for agitating then the hyperinflation.
- incahoots 2y agoand agent orange, and destroy literally everything before we tail it back to our own country, not before we tell our vets to “suck it up” and bootstrap their PTSD due to exposure of aforementioned war crimes.
- nextweek2 2y agoIt’s an authoritarian government without free elections right on the US doorstep. Cubans are oppressed.
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