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We’re not going to make it are we?
by linotype 2y ago
We’re not going to make it are we?
- sdkman 2y agoI don't think so :(
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 2y agoWe will but not at our current numbers. Rich countries will suffer the most.
- sadhorse 2y agoHow so? Huge flooding in Brazil this year, they are not recovering any time soon. Poor countries lack the resources that rich countries literally burn for their luxury.
- ars 2y agoSay Brazil floods this year, and next year, and the year after that. What do you think will happen next? What will happen is Brazil will start planning for it, and then they'll be fine. There will be an adjustment period, and then, life goes on.
- bwestergard 2y agoHuh? Of course life goes on, but it will be a more resource constrained life, and that will make political negotiations more difficult. If those aren't implications worth worrying about, what would be?
- kjkjadksj 2y agoThis is what people don’t get about places like Florida. The people in Florida are in fact aware that it storms and floods, thats why the house is built on stilts with metal storm shutters.
- paulmd 2y agoSure, but it’s expensive and it’s still devastated by storms etc. Like these building techniques works so well that insurers have left the Florida market because it’s unprofitable to rebuild everyone every couple years, so the state outlawed charging rates that account for the actual expense of it, and now people can’t get home insurance policies anymore. Like literally it’s already too expensive to keep doing it without a massive funnel of taxpayer money into peoples beach houses. It’s literally only viable to keep doing that by leeching off the largesse of the taxpayer and other homeowners in less dangerous locales. Florida also has the additional problem that it’s literally built on karst topology, it’s limestone riddled with tunnels and sinkholes so water comes right up under it, you can’t even pump the cities dry like the Netherlands.
- paulmd 2y agohttps://www.newsweek.com/florida-insurance-crisis-explained-1812418 https://www.newsweek.com/florida-insurance-crisis-explained-...
- kjkjadksj 2y agoInsurers have not left the florida market. The number of uninsured homes is estimated to be like 10-20%, probably what you'd expect given a certain percentage of holdout low income homeowning areas from before florida saw so much inflow in certain real estate markets. The national rate is a little under 10% for reference. Sometimes when headlines and assumptions seem absurd, like no insurance in florida, its worth looking into it a little bit.
- paulmd 2y agohttps://www.newsweek.com/florida-insurance-crisis-explained-1812418 https://www.newsweek.com/florida-insurance-crisis-explained-...
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- dartharva 2y agoAbsolutely wrong. India, China and the more polluting poorer countries are the ones who'll always suffer more. With >300 AQIs in most highly-populated areas, dirty water from rivers almost all of which are hazardously polluted, combined with a tropical climate that's already hot enough to kill thousands of people from heatstroke alone in summers - pollution-related misery in US and Europe isn't anywhere close enough to that in India. It just doesn't get called out because Indians have bigger existential concerns (many of which go directly against climate-friendliness).
- datavirtue 2y ago"Absolutely wrong. India, China and the more polluting poorer countries are the ones who'll always suffer more." ....until the migrations.
- darkteflon 2y agoNot even close. https://jonathanfranzen.com/what-if-we-stopped-pretending/ https://jonathanfranzen.com/what-if-we-stopped-pretending/
- simpaticoder 2y agoOn the bright side for those that have always wanted to travel to other worlds and terraform them, we'll now have an opportunity to have that experience without the travel.
- redserk 2y agoThe article was written in 2019 before a number of extraordinarily significant events with major climate policy impacts: - a noticeable and rapid dip in emissions has proven to be viable due to COVID lockdowns - Russia’s invasion of Ukraine forced Europe and the US to accelerate plans to diversify energy generation away from natural gas - China’s insanely rapid growth in green energy production domestically It seems like 2022 CO2 levels are near 2019 CO2 levels[1], which is impressive. [1] https://ourworldindata.org/co2-emissions https://ourworldindata.org/co2-emissions
- colordrops 2y agoOk, but weren't 2019 levels really bad? These are nice developments but really tiny in comparison to what needs to be done to stop progression.
- graeme 2y ago2023 is 37.4, which is a fair increase on 2019. More importantly the chart that matters is total CO2 in atmosphere. You can't even see 2020 on here. That was a one off 5% decrease. Imagine if you had $1,000,0000 in your bank account and were spending $100,000 per year, except one year you spent $95,000. That's 2020. This methane news is on top of CO2 as it has its own added impact. Proper optimism that we can do it first requires taking stock of where we actually are. So far we haven't actually displaced any carbon energy and we are at the all time highest levels of both annually emissions and also CO2 in the atmosphere. Chart of total CO2 concentration over time: https://gml.noaa.gov/ccgg/trends/ https://gml.noaa.gov/ccgg/trends/
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- linotype 2y agoThe guy who’s funding $45 million a month for the candidate that wants to end EVs and pump more oil? That Elon?
- sroussey 2y agoDo Tesla’s EVs offset SpaceX rockets?
- willy_k 2y agoThey don’t even offset themselves, but SpaceX rockets would likely be a key part in deploying solar shades if necessary
- carapace 2y agoOnly time will tell. But the things to do to try to avert looming disaster are the same things to do to be a better person in times of no crisis. Be kind and loving, develop compassion. That's pretty much it. The point is not to make it or not. Entropy is the enemy and it will win in the end. So what? No one here gets out alive. The point is to be a better person, to help others, to make things better. If we are going to make it we will make it though love and compassion. If we don't make it, then at least we didn't waste the time we had.
- tomrod 2y ago> The point is not to make it or not. I fundamentally and vociferously disagree. The point is to ensure sapience and intelligence survive the heat death of the universe.
- carapace 2y agoI'm sympathetic to your view, but I feel you're talking science-fiction or perhaps religion. By definition the Heat Death means there's nothing left to be the substrate for sapience and intelligence, eh? (If you like to discuss metaphysics I'm game.) Anyway, intelligence without love is less than pointless.
- ars 2y agoWe'll be fine. We'll have to make adjustments, but we'll be fine. So will the planet, and so will the vast majority of animals.
- altdataseller 2y ago“Save the earth?! The planet will be absolutely fine… humans on the other hand..”
- tialaramex 2y agoYes, the damp rock will be fine. Humans aren't likely to die out directly, although scenarios where it all seems a bit pointless and the remaining few million humans stop reproducing are plausible.
- MSFT_Edging 2y agoThe vast majority of animals are cattle/livestock for meat production. If we want to be alright, we'll probably want to start reducing the cattle headcount.
- mitthrowaway2 2y agoHmm, I'm really not sure about that. There are events in the geological record in which the vast majority of animals were not fine, and I'm not convinced that humans would be among those that make it, adjustments or not.
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- colordrops 2y agoIf you are a meth addict, you don't say "I'll be fine" to deal with the problem. You've got to make changes, or else you are fucked.
- MrVandemar 2y ago"Vast majority of the animals" You know that the extinction rate of species (which includes animals) is running at approximately 200 per day. Unless you mean the vast majority of animals in the sense of numbers of individual animals, instead of diversity of species, then maybe you're right: the vast majority will be fine as the biomass of domestic animals now outweight the biomass of every other species.
- anonym29 2y agoShort of China and India voluntarily holding themselves to the same standards as Western Europe and the US for free, we are not going to avoid catastrophic global warming. The good news is, while we may not be able to prevent climate change, we are not powerless against it. The Dutch know how to win the fight against sea level rise. Middle Eastern architecture knows how to keep people cool even with >50°C air temperatures. The Canadians know how to winterize an electric grid. Sure, we may not have the optimal strategy for addressing some threats, like wildfires, right now, but the point is, we are not alone, and we are not helpless. Countless human lives can be saved if we're willing to work together.
- OsrsNeedsf2P 2y ago> Short of China and India voluntarily holding themselves to the same standards as Western Europe and the US China and India emit significantly less CO2 per capita than Western Europe and the US [0] - and that's ignoring the fact they do all of our manufacturing. [0] https://www.worldometers.info/co2-emissions/co2-emissions-per-capita/ https://www.worldometers.info/co2-emissions/co2-emissions-pe...
- gjsman-1000 2y agoPer capita is misleading. China has over 1 billion people more than the US, the majority of them in abject poverty. Same for India; so their per capita number is artificially skewed downward.
- mitthrowaway2 2y agoWhy is that misleading? That doesn't sound like "artificial skew" to me.
- 486sx33 2y agoIrresponsibly growing your population doesn’t allow you more emissions, that’s crap!