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What's dumb is that Firefox is not the freedom browser people think it is. Mozilla is a crappy organization. Firefox has extension signing, it's as restrictive

What's dumb is that Firefox is not the freedom browser people think it is. Mozilla is a crappy organization. Firefox has extension signing, it's as restrictive as installing apps on iOS where only approved apps can be installed, without a setting to easily disable it. Mozilla can also remotely install extensions by default (opt out) called "experiments" or something. Their anti-tracking is purposefully weak because of their dealings with Google. Now this data collection for ads. They didn't enable DNS-over-HTTPS by default specifically in the UK. And Mozilla leadership is associated with radical left politics, just as an extra. Maybe check out Brave Browser, LibreWolf or Vivaldi.

kiviuq 2y ago
communists and anarchists have been dominating the ad industry for decades :p
3l3ktr4 2y ago
>And Mozilla leadership is associated with radical left politics, just as an extra. Do you have proof for this? I'd be curious. I also fail to see how is that related to the collecting data by default thing. Is that a leftist thing now?
- bawolff 2y ago
  Personally i'd rather judge people by the things they do (or fail to do), not who they are associated with.
- V__ 2y ago
  Maybe they mean this statement, however I don't see why their proposed changes are radical. [1] https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/we-need-more-than-deplatforming/ https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/we-need-more-than-deplat...
- mightyham 2y ago
  Whether you agree or disagree with what the Mozilla foundation does, it seems fairly matter of fact to say that they are pursuing liberal policies and that posts from the leadership, like the couple below, employ a good bit of leftist rhetoric. https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/first-steps-toward-lasting-change/ https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/first-steps-toward-lasti... https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/leadership/mozilla-racial-justice-commitments-one-year-in/ https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/leadership/mozilla-racia...
  - freeone3000 2y ago
    Seems like standard centre-left to me: no issues with current ideas of capital or governance structures at all!
    - beepbooptheory 2y ago
      Getting people to identify corporate PR speak with "radical leftist rhetoric" is perhaps one of the most darkly genius angles of the conservative culture war in recent memory. Who even read these dumb company blogs before this?
    - freeone3000 2y ago
      Quick primer: Radical right: “Almost nothing great has ever been done in the world except by the genius and firmness of a single man combating the prejudices of the multitude.” Far-right: “I know there are some who become sick when they see black uniforms… but those who come to fear us at any time must have a guilty conscience before the nation.” Right: “This means that every Canadian will see their income taxes go down. This means more money to pay the bills, to save up for your kids' education or maybe even finally afford a family vacation.” Centre: “There is nothing which I dread so much as a division of the republic into two great parties, each arranged under its leader, and concerting measures in opposition to each other.” Left: “To put it bluntly, no one should be faced with a choice that says, in effect, “your money or your life”. “ far left: “ The role of the police and the military is growing, and the links between these enforcers of ruling class power and far-right and fascist parties and movements, are becoming more visible.” Radical left: “ They openly declare that their ends can be attained only by the forcible overthrow of all existing social conditions.”
  - Ensorceled 2y ago
    Pretty much every company has made such statements and policies, including some very much not "leftist" companies.
  - account42 2y ago
    There is also this "classic": https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/we-need-more-than-deplatforming/ https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/we-need-more-than-deplat...
bionsystem 2y ago
I daily drive Vivaldi, for about 2 years now. I was a bit concerned with the closed source part but the experience is great, it's fast and with plenty of features. I don't know how good they are with regards to privacy but on the other hand I do not need to install any plugin as everything is integrated so at least my data is contained with them.
jasonlotito 2y ago
> And Mozilla leadership is associated with radical left politics > Maybe check out ... LibreWolf GNU says hi.

kiviuq 2y ago

communists and anarchists have been dominating the ad industry for decades :p

3l3ktr4 2y ago

>And Mozilla leadership is associated with radical left politics, just as an extra. Do you have proof for this? I'd be curious. I also fail to see how is that related to the collecting data by default thing. Is that a leftist thing now?

bawolff 2y ago
Personally i'd rather judge people by the things they do (or fail to do), not who they are associated with.
V__ 2y ago
Maybe they mean this statement, however I don't see why their proposed changes are radical. [1] https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/we-need-more-than-deplatforming/ https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/we-need-more-than-deplat...
mightyham 2y ago
Whether you agree or disagree with what the Mozilla foundation does, it seems fairly matter of fact to say that they are pursuing liberal policies and that posts from the leadership, like the couple below, employ a good bit of leftist rhetoric. https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/first-steps-toward-lasting-change/ https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/first-steps-toward-lasti... https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/leadership/mozilla-racial-justice-commitments-one-year-in/ https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/leadership/mozilla-racia...
- freeone3000 2y ago
  Seems like standard centre-left to me: no issues with current ideas of capital or governance structures at all!
  - beepbooptheory 2y ago
    Getting people to identify corporate PR speak with "radical leftist rhetoric" is perhaps one of the most darkly genius angles of the conservative culture war in recent memory. Who even read these dumb company blogs before this?
  - freeone3000 2y ago
    Quick primer: Radical right: “Almost nothing great has ever been done in the world except by the genius and firmness of a single man combating the prejudices of the multitude.” Far-right: “I know there are some who become sick when they see black uniforms… but those who come to fear us at any time must have a guilty conscience before the nation.” Right: “This means that every Canadian will see their income taxes go down. This means more money to pay the bills, to save up for your kids' education or maybe even finally afford a family vacation.” Centre: “There is nothing which I dread so much as a division of the republic into two great parties, each arranged under its leader, and concerting measures in opposition to each other.” Left: “To put it bluntly, no one should be faced with a choice that says, in effect, “your money or your life”. “ far left: “ The role of the police and the military is growing, and the links between these enforcers of ruling class power and far-right and fascist parties and movements, are becoming more visible.” Radical left: “ They openly declare that their ends can be attained only by the forcible overthrow of all existing social conditions.”
- Ensorceled 2y ago
  Pretty much every company has made such statements and policies, including some very much not "leftist" companies.
- account42 2y ago
  There is also this "classic": https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/we-need-more-than-deplatforming/ https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/we-need-more-than-deplat...

bionsystem 2y ago

I daily drive Vivaldi, for about 2 years now. I was a bit concerned with the closed source part but the experience is great, it's fast and with plenty of features. I don't know how good they are with regards to privacy but on the other hand I do not need to install any plugin as everything is integrated so at least my data is contained with them.

jasonlotito 2y ago

> And Mozilla leadership is associated with radical left politics > Maybe check out ... LibreWolf GNU says hi.