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Example of how punctuation can make all the difference... '... and the problem is: The US is supporting Israel and supplying it with weapons. Neither President

Example of how punctuation can make all the difference... '... and the problem is: The US is supporting Israel and supplying it with weapons. Neither Presidential candidate has any intention of changing that, nor is there majority Congressional support for changing it.' The american people are mostly against israel and sending billions to israel. And yet nearly all of congress, presidential candidates, etc are in favor of it. Something is awry with representative government when nearly 100% of the politicians are not representative of the american people.

Cupertino95014 2y ago
> The american people are mostly against israel I'm afraid you're going to need some support for that statement. https://www.pewresearch.org/2024/03/21/majority-in-u-s-say-israel-has-valid-reasons-for-fighting-fewer-say-the-same-about-hamas/ https://www.pewresearch.org/2024/03/21/majority-in-u-s-say-i... https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/americans-views-divided-us-policy-israel-hamas-war/story?id=109879453 https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/americans-views-divided-us-p...
- linearrust 2y ago
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  - Cupertino95014 2y ago
    > Your problem is you live in a censored bubble. No, I don't have a "problem"; I just have a different opinion than you do. But your problem IS: you refuse to admit when you've been proven wrong. You made a statement; I demonstrated it was incorrect. Game over.
    - linearrust 2y ago
      Okay. I'm wrong. That's why 38 states have made it illegal to boycott israel. We love israel so much that you shouldn't be allowed to boycott it right? But then again, if we loved israel, nobody would boycott israel in the first place and we wouldn't need laws barring people from boycotting israel. It's amazing how many anti-american laws are created solely for israel's benefit. You are right. We love israel. So lets tear down those silly holocaust memorials in the US and create memorials for native americans who were actually genocided in the US. A holocaust memorial in the US is as silly as a lenape genocide memorial in germany. You should let the ADL and the thousands of israel aligned groups in the US that their services are no longer required. America <heart> israel.
      - CrazyStat 2y ago
        This is some remarkably absurd logic.
      - Cupertino95014 2y ago
        Fine w/me. We certainly don't love the terrorists. So I guess we're done here.
  - AnnikaL 2y ago
    I doubt that the primary purpose of having memorials for and movies about the Holocaust, which happened 80 years ago in Europe, is to influence opinions on current foreign policy towards the Middle East.
  - UIUC_06 2y ago
    I'm curious now: what's the difference between "experience" and "lived experience"?
    - weatherlite 2y ago
      Perhaps he emphasizes he isn't an A.I
      - Cupertino95014 2y ago
        Ah, interesting. Although since they use that BS term on Oprah all the time, I doubt that's their intent.
  - weatherlite 2y ago
    > neverending hollywood holocaust propaganda In what way is there hollywood holocaust propaganda? You feel like the events described in the holocaust didn't really take place that way or do you think we should tone them down quite a bit because they "help" Israel too much?
    - Cupertino95014 2y ago
      Bingo. The US was complicit in the Holocaust by not admitting Jews before the war. https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/voyage-of-the-st-louis https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/voyage-of-... But you're right: they're "tired of hearing about the Holocaust." I'll bet they are.
sadboi31 2y ago
Mass censorship and search friction does that to people. So far as the war on empathy goes HN is lost.
CrazyStat 2y ago
> The american people are mostly against israel and sending billions to israel. Your friends and people you interact with may be mostly against. It’s not clear that Americans generally are. Pew [1] has a pretty much even split on military support for Israel, with 36% favoring it, 35% against it, and 29% either on the fence or unsure. Only 22% in the same poll say that Biden is favoring Israel too much. [1] https://www.pewresearch.org/2024/03/21/majority-in-u-s-say-israel-has-valid-reasons-for-fighting-fewer-say-the-same-about-hamas/ https://www.pewresearch.org/2024/03/21/majority-in-u-s-say-i...
- linearrust 2y ago
  Do you and cupertino work in the same office? Both of you are peddling the same talking points. It's the same thing in every israel related thread. All over social media. More american tax dollars at work I suppose. > Pew [1] has a pretty much even split on military support for Israel That's embarrassing given the decades long pro-israel propaganda campaign and the nearly 100% political backing. But me and my 'remarkably absurd logic'. Using my 'remarkably absurd logic', I'm guessing this thread is flagged because the 'antisemites' who run this site don't want to see the outpouring of love of israel. Every israel related thread must be flagged because of the impending pro-israel comments from americans. Right? Every social media platform censors because they don't want americans to drown israelis with love. It all makes sense now.
  - Cupertino95014 2y ago
    > a pretty much even split that reminds me of the "mostly peaceful protests" in Portland. Face it: not everyone agrees with you. That's our right.
    - advael 2y ago
      That's silly. The police were doing a considerable amount of violent suppression of protests in Portland. People even started calling the mayor "tear gas Ted" The protestors themselves mostly did property crimes though. The "broken windows" crowd and the far right media tried to make this out to be "violence", but even the police-reported violent crime statistics don't really support that view
weatherlite 2y ago
> The american people are mostly against israel and sending billions to israel Source ? Also the issue of monetary aid is different than general support. I assume many Americans don't want to send billions to Europe/Nato either yet they still support Europe.
seanmcdirmid 2y ago
> The american people are mostly against israel and sending billions to israel. And yet nearly all of congress, presidential candidates, etc are in favor of it. Something is awry with representative government when nearly 100% of the politicians are not representative of the american people. Conservatives are becoming more isolationist, and would just prefer Arabs and the Middle East descend into a huge war without American involvement. Some liberals take Palestinian sides, but most Americans are actually fairly negative on it right now, with the belief that Hamas is intentionally using its own people as human shields. Politically speaking, there is more sympathy by Americans for Israel than Gaza, but there is a lot of cynicism since it seems like real solutions are not going to happen in our lifetime.
- shrimp_emoji 2y ago
  I feel like Americans in general are becoming more isolationist. Historically, that's been America's bend anyway. It always took being attacked or being sold on threats by career politicians to get involved in the world. And that's a privileged and great place to be! Personally, I'm against it. It's hard to cosign letting the Taliban redo gender apartheid in Afghanistan and banning education for girls and all the rest. But, if Americans are determined to live in a "nuclear-armed Switzerland", interventionism won't work anyway since it needs political will to succeed (see Afghanistan)... sooo I guess I'm an begrudging isolationist too now.
  - seanmcdirmid 2y ago
    One of the nice things about moving to EVs is not caring so much about the price of oil anymore. America is one of the countries less enthusiastic about that (since we produce lots of oil), but other countries not caring so much about the Middle East anymore would probably actually make it a more peaceful than it is now.

Cupertino95014 2y ago

> The american people are mostly against israel I'm afraid you're going to need some support for that statement. https://www.pewresearch.org/2024/03/21/majority-in-u-s-say-israel-has-valid-reasons-for-fighting-fewer-say-the-same-about-hamas/ https://www.pewresearch.org/2024/03/21/majority-in-u-s-say-i... https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/americans-views-divided-us-policy-israel-hamas-war/story?id=109879453 https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/americans-views-divided-us-p...

linearrust 2y ago
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- Cupertino95014 2y ago
  > Your problem is you live in a censored bubble. No, I don't have a "problem"; I just have a different opinion than you do. But your problem IS: you refuse to admit when you've been proven wrong. You made a statement; I demonstrated it was incorrect. Game over.
  - linearrust 2y ago
    Okay. I'm wrong. That's why 38 states have made it illegal to boycott israel. We love israel so much that you shouldn't be allowed to boycott it right? But then again, if we loved israel, nobody would boycott israel in the first place and we wouldn't need laws barring people from boycotting israel. It's amazing how many anti-american laws are created solely for israel's benefit. You are right. We love israel. So lets tear down those silly holocaust memorials in the US and create memorials for native americans who were actually genocided in the US. A holocaust memorial in the US is as silly as a lenape genocide memorial in germany. You should let the ADL and the thousands of israel aligned groups in the US that their services are no longer required. America <heart> israel.
    - CrazyStat 2y ago
      This is some remarkably absurd logic.
    - Cupertino95014 2y ago
      Fine w/me. We certainly don't love the terrorists. So I guess we're done here.
- AnnikaL 2y ago
  I doubt that the primary purpose of having memorials for and movies about the Holocaust, which happened 80 years ago in Europe, is to influence opinions on current foreign policy towards the Middle East.
- UIUC_06 2y ago
  I'm curious now: what's the difference between "experience" and "lived experience"?
  - weatherlite 2y ago
    Perhaps he emphasizes he isn't an A.I
    - Cupertino95014 2y ago
      Ah, interesting. Although since they use that BS term on Oprah all the time, I doubt that's their intent.
- weatherlite 2y ago
  > neverending hollywood holocaust propaganda In what way is there hollywood holocaust propaganda? You feel like the events described in the holocaust didn't really take place that way or do you think we should tone them down quite a bit because they "help" Israel too much?
  - Cupertino95014 2y ago
    Bingo. The US was complicit in the Holocaust by not admitting Jews before the war. https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/voyage-of-the-st-louis https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/voyage-of-... But you're right: they're "tired of hearing about the Holocaust." I'll bet they are.

sadboi31 2y ago

Mass censorship and search friction does that to people. So far as the war on empathy goes HN is lost.

CrazyStat 2y ago

> The american people are mostly against israel and sending billions to israel. Your friends and people you interact with may be mostly against. It’s not clear that Americans generally are. Pew [1] has a pretty much even split on military support for Israel, with 36% favoring it, 35% against it, and 29% either on the fence or unsure. Only 22% in the same poll say that Biden is favoring Israel too much. [1] https://www.pewresearch.org/2024/03/21/majority-in-u-s-say-israel-has-valid-reasons-for-fighting-fewer-say-the-same-about-hamas/ https://www.pewresearch.org/2024/03/21/majority-in-u-s-say-i...

linearrust 2y ago
Do you and cupertino work in the same office? Both of you are peddling the same talking points. It's the same thing in every israel related thread. All over social media. More american tax dollars at work I suppose. > Pew [1] has a pretty much even split on military support for Israel That's embarrassing given the decades long pro-israel propaganda campaign and the nearly 100% political backing. But me and my 'remarkably absurd logic'. Using my 'remarkably absurd logic', I'm guessing this thread is flagged because the 'antisemites' who run this site don't want to see the outpouring of love of israel. Every israel related thread must be flagged because of the impending pro-israel comments from americans. Right? Every social media platform censors because they don't want americans to drown israelis with love. It all makes sense now.
- Cupertino95014 2y ago
  > a pretty much even split that reminds me of the "mostly peaceful protests" in Portland. Face it: not everyone agrees with you. That's our right.
  - advael 2y ago
    That's silly. The police were doing a considerable amount of violent suppression of protests in Portland. People even started calling the mayor "tear gas Ted" The protestors themselves mostly did property crimes though. The "broken windows" crowd and the far right media tried to make this out to be "violence", but even the police-reported violent crime statistics don't really support that view

weatherlite 2y ago

> The american people are mostly against israel and sending billions to israel Source ? Also the issue of monetary aid is different than general support. I assume many Americans don't want to send billions to Europe/Nato either yet they still support Europe.

seanmcdirmid 2y ago

> The american people are mostly against israel and sending billions to israel. And yet nearly all of congress, presidential candidates, etc are in favor of it. Something is awry with representative government when nearly 100% of the politicians are not representative of the american people. Conservatives are becoming more isolationist, and would just prefer Arabs and the Middle East descend into a huge war without American involvement. Some liberals take Palestinian sides, but most Americans are actually fairly negative on it right now, with the belief that Hamas is intentionally using its own people as human shields. Politically speaking, there is more sympathy by Americans for Israel than Gaza, but there is a lot of cynicism since it seems like real solutions are not going to happen in our lifetime.

shrimp_emoji 2y ago
I feel like Americans in general are becoming more isolationist. Historically, that's been America's bend anyway. It always took being attacked or being sold on threats by career politicians to get involved in the world. And that's a privileged and great place to be! Personally, I'm against it. It's hard to cosign letting the Taliban redo gender apartheid in Afghanistan and banning education for girls and all the rest. But, if Americans are determined to live in a "nuclear-armed Switzerland", interventionism won't work anyway since it needs political will to succeed (see Afghanistan)... sooo I guess I'm an begrudging isolationist too now.
- seanmcdirmid 2y ago
  One of the nice things about moving to EVs is not caring so much about the price of oil anymore. America is one of the countries less enthusiastic about that (since we produce lots of oil), but other countries not caring so much about the Middle East anymore would probably actually make it a more peaceful than it is now.