7 ms·

... and the problem is? The US is supporting Israel and supplying it with weapons. Neither Presidential candidate has any intention of changing that, nor is th

... and the problem is? The US is supporting Israel and supplying it with weapons. Neither Presidential candidate has any intention of changing that, nor is there majority Congressional support for changing it.

bensmoif 2y ago
Many people believe what you're describing is the problem.
- Cupertino95014 2y ago
  Many, perhaps, but nowhere close to a majority.
  - sundalia 2y ago
    Would appreciate data.
    - Cupertino95014 2y ago
      I gave it up above
      - sundalia 2y ago
        Then don't make claims you can't justify :)
        Cupertino95014 2y ago
        > Then doesn't make any sense. I did justify them and told you where.
        sundalia 2y ago
        (?)
sundalia 2y ago
Many Googlers are not comfortable with that. Lots of them are immigrants who understandably don't want to be associated with US-endorsed genocide.
- UrineSqueegee 2y ago
  [flagged]
  - sadboi31 2y ago
    yeah you're right, it's a nakba. something far worse. once the sanctions come down the american public will get learned on their history.
    - UrineSqueegee 2y ago
      [flagged]
      - deleted 2y ago
        [deleted]
    - raxxorraxor 2y ago
      The Nakba was a Nakba because the countries surrounding Israel lost the war after they attacked Israel. Indeed they probably had genocidal ambitions.
      - racional 2y ago
        The Nakba was (and still is) a Nakba because ... The colonizers sought to impose an objectively unfair partition plan (granting them far more valuable territory and resources in proportion to their population at the time), with the muscular support of their European friends. The Palestinians rejected this "proposal" outright of course, exactly as any self-respecting people would. Exactly as the Algerians rejected France's proposed "partition" of their historic homeland, and the Vietnamese (by and large) rejected America's proposed carve-out of theirs, etc (just to pick a few notable exactly from approximately the same time frame). And yes, they made some poor choices of friends (as they readily acknowledge), and woefully miscalculated their own strengths and capabilities and so on. And then there are other factors you're carefully not mentioning, such as the expulsions and massacres already underway in Jaffa, Deir-Yassin and elsewhere before this supposedly entirely unprovoked and one-sided "attack". But there's no reason to keep punishing the current population for these decisions, and exploiting this history (and the continuing indifference of both their so-called friends in the Arab world and the international community at large) for the sake of current and future land gains. Which is basically what the continuing (having of course never really ended) Nakba (that certain very notable public figures are proudly and openly hoping to officially upgrade to Nakba 2.0, in their own words -- do we need to name any names here?) is really about. And whatever is happening in the ground today (and however much blame can justly attributed to both sides) -- there's nothing to be gained from nullifying history, or reducing it to such trite oversimplifications as in the parent comment.
linearrust 2y ago
Example of how punctuation can make all the difference... '... and the problem is: The US is supporting Israel and supplying it with weapons. Neither Presidential candidate has any intention of changing that, nor is there majority Congressional support for changing it.' The american people are mostly against israel and sending billions to israel. And yet nearly all of congress, presidential candidates, etc are in favor of it. Something is awry with representative government when nearly 100% of the politicians are not representative of the american people.
- Cupertino95014 2y ago
  > The american people are mostly against israel I'm afraid you're going to need some support for that statement. https://www.pewresearch.org/2024/03/21/majority-in-u-s-say-israel-has-valid-reasons-for-fighting-fewer-say-the-same-about-hamas/ https://www.pewresearch.org/2024/03/21/majority-in-u-s-say-i... https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/americans-views-divided-us-policy-israel-hamas-war/story?id=109879453 https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/americans-views-divided-us-p...
  - linearrust 2y ago
    [flagged]
    - Cupertino95014 2y ago
      > Your problem is you live in a censored bubble. No, I don't have a "problem"; I just have a different opinion than you do. But your problem IS: you refuse to admit when you've been proven wrong. You made a statement; I demonstrated it was incorrect. Game over.
      - linearrust 2y ago
        Okay. I'm wrong. That's why 38 states have made it illegal to boycott israel. We love israel so much that you shouldn't be allowed to boycott it right? But then again, if we loved israel, nobody would boycott israel in the first place and we wouldn't need laws barring people from boycotting israel. It's amazing how many anti-american laws are created solely for israel's benefit. You are right. We love israel. So lets tear down those silly holocaust memorials in the US and create memorials for native americans who were actually genocided in the US. A holocaust memorial in the US is as silly as a lenape genocide memorial in germany. You should let the ADL and the thousands of israel aligned groups in the US that their services are no longer required. America <heart> israel.

bensmoif 2y ago

Many people believe what you're describing is the problem.

Cupertino95014 2y ago
Many, perhaps, but nowhere close to a majority.
- sundalia 2y ago
  Would appreciate data.
  - Cupertino95014 2y ago
    I gave it up above
    - sundalia 2y ago
      Then don't make claims you can't justify :)
      - Cupertino95014 2y ago
        > Then doesn't make any sense. I did justify them and told you where.
        sundalia 2y ago
        (?)

sundalia 2y ago

Many Googlers are not comfortable with that. Lots of them are immigrants who understandably don't want to be associated with US-endorsed genocide.

UrineSqueegee 2y ago
[flagged]
- sadboi31 2y ago
  yeah you're right, it's a nakba. something far worse. once the sanctions come down the american public will get learned on their history.
  - UrineSqueegee 2y ago
    [flagged]
    - deleted 2y ago
      [deleted]
  - raxxorraxor 2y ago
    The Nakba was a Nakba because the countries surrounding Israel lost the war after they attacked Israel. Indeed they probably had genocidal ambitions.
    - racional 2y ago
      The Nakba was (and still is) a Nakba because ... The colonizers sought to impose an objectively unfair partition plan (granting them far more valuable territory and resources in proportion to their population at the time), with the muscular support of their European friends. The Palestinians rejected this "proposal" outright of course, exactly as any self-respecting people would. Exactly as the Algerians rejected France's proposed "partition" of their historic homeland, and the Vietnamese (by and large) rejected America's proposed carve-out of theirs, etc (just to pick a few notable exactly from approximately the same time frame). And yes, they made some poor choices of friends (as they readily acknowledge), and woefully miscalculated their own strengths and capabilities and so on. And then there are other factors you're carefully not mentioning, such as the expulsions and massacres already underway in Jaffa, Deir-Yassin and elsewhere before this supposedly entirely unprovoked and one-sided "attack". But there's no reason to keep punishing the current population for these decisions, and exploiting this history (and the continuing indifference of both their so-called friends in the Arab world and the international community at large) for the sake of current and future land gains. Which is basically what the continuing (having of course never really ended) Nakba (that certain very notable public figures are proudly and openly hoping to officially upgrade to Nakba 2.0, in their own words -- do we need to name any names here?) is really about. And whatever is happening in the ground today (and however much blame can justly attributed to both sides) -- there's nothing to be gained from nullifying history, or reducing it to such trite oversimplifications as in the parent comment.

linearrust 2y ago

Example of how punctuation can make all the difference... '... and the problem is: The US is supporting Israel and supplying it with weapons. Neither Presidential candidate has any intention of changing that, nor is there majority Congressional support for changing it.' The american people are mostly against israel and sending billions to israel. And yet nearly all of congress, presidential candidates, etc are in favor of it. Something is awry with representative government when nearly 100% of the politicians are not representative of the american people.

Cupertino95014 2y ago
> The american people are mostly against israel I'm afraid you're going to need some support for that statement. https://www.pewresearch.org/2024/03/21/majority-in-u-s-say-israel-has-valid-reasons-for-fighting-fewer-say-the-same-about-hamas/ https://www.pewresearch.org/2024/03/21/majority-in-u-s-say-i... https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/americans-views-divided-us-policy-israel-hamas-war/story?id=109879453 https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/americans-views-divided-us-p...
- linearrust 2y ago
  [flagged]
  - Cupertino95014 2y ago
    > Your problem is you live in a censored bubble. No, I don't have a "problem"; I just have a different opinion than you do. But your problem IS: you refuse to admit when you've been proven wrong. You made a statement; I demonstrated it was incorrect. Game over.
    - linearrust 2y ago
      Okay. I'm wrong. That's why 38 states have made it illegal to boycott israel. We love israel so much that you shouldn't be allowed to boycott it right? But then again, if we loved israel, nobody would boycott israel in the first place and we wouldn't need laws barring people from boycotting israel. It's amazing how many anti-american laws are created solely for israel's benefit. You are right. We love israel. So lets tear down those silly holocaust memorials in the US and create memorials for native americans who were actually genocided in the US. A holocaust memorial in the US is as silly as a lenape genocide memorial in germany. You should let the ADL and the thousands of israel aligned groups in the US that their services are no longer required. America <heart> israel.