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Wikipedia is rolling out dark mode support
- wruza 2y agoI believe at this point dark mode should be treated as an accessibility feature and built right into browsers and css hints. Until that, just use DarkReader extension with suitable settings. It can change brightness, contrast, saturation and plays well with syntax coloring etc. Screws up only a few sites where you can turn it off on per-site basis. No in-site dark mode does that, and dark modes are often even more toxic than bright modes.
- xign 2y agoThe reason why this is tricky to do is that websites have custom designs. It's not a trivial problem to make a dark mode version of the design. You can't just flip the colors. There are design work in making sure your design works well in both dark and light modes. Most automatic dark mode solutions don't usually work across the board.
- michelb 2y agoHow many non-tech people actively choose dark mode?
- deafpolygon 2y agoAnd how many can't really use it because of accessibility and vision issues?
- xxs 2y agodark mode gets harder to read w/ age progressing...
- wruza 2y agoHow many non-tech sites do have it? Editing incorrect argument: More importantly, how many allow setting a specific contrast instead of just “dark mode” as-is.
- vladvasiliu 2y agoJudging by what I see at work, where people seem to use dark mode during daytime in teams, outlook and others, which isn’t the default AFAIK, I’d say quite a fair bit.
- beardyw 2y agoI (tech) hate dark mode. My wife (very non tech) uses it.
- walthamstow 2y agoI love dark mode... when it's dark! When my colleagues are using dark mode in a sunny and well-lit room, I'm thinking guys do you just really love squinting?
- fecal_henge 2y agoWell look at you with your well-lit room.
- xxs 2y agoMy daughter does, and she is a rare example. I consider it a waste of time/resources. Brings me back to black/green displays.
- 8n4vidtmkvmk 2y agoHow does dark mode waste time and resources? It technically can save resources.
- xxs 2y agoSomeone has to develop and maintain it. It's difficult to quantify the development/datacenter efforts with respect to end user displays. I do doubt dark mode comes ahead at all at any rate. Morealso, OLED displays are overall ill-suited for regular work due to burn-in -- those are the only ones that 'can' save energy (unless you count CRT - but they would be way worse to begin with). The cost of the shorter lifespan OLED (burn-in) would heavily outweight the energy saved - you are looking at 15-20Wh top. Note: displays with backlight (the extreme vast majority) display blacks by blocking the light, so the dark mode alone doesn't save anything. There are ones with local dimming that can partially benefit.
- 8n4vidtmkvmk 2y agoLocal dimming is becoming more popular, OLED is improving, and MiniLED or whatever they call it will be viable one day. Maybe you're right about that not offsetting whatever server costs though. I don't think "develop and maintain" affects the environment, but maybe OP was including human resources.
- LorenzoGood 2y agoMost people younger than 20 that I know except myself exclusiveley use dark mode.
- saagarjha 2y agoI get that this is cool and all but I just wish they didn’t have to tell me with a modal every time I open a page :(
- _ZeD_ 2y agoI might be at a loss here, but I cannot use dark-themed webpages. They are totally blurred and unreadable for me... My only hope is that light-themed documents will be kept
- tass 2y agoAstigmatism? I have a minor one but points of light on a dark background is the best way to see it.
- explaininjs 2y agoI’ve had astigmatism ever since a laser eye surgery. It’s unnoticeable 95% of the time, but every site that forces dark mode on me makes it immediately obvious. I immediately find a light switch or leave.
- grape_surgeon 2y agoAh man that's why laser eye surgery scares me. My eyes are pretty bad so a lot of my lens has to be shaved. I noped out of last consultation; they recommended I get a lens inserted behind my cornea cause of that, but there are so many horror stories online
- explaininjs 2y agoI wouldn’t call my case a horror story. This is still a million times better than how it was, and I’d absolutely go back do it again. In fact I am considering getting a “tune up” round, but it’s a lot of money and leaves your eyes out of operation for quite a while. Alternatively, I might get astigmatism glasses that I wear exclusively in places I need to see well in low light, for instance movie theater credits are always a challenge (which would be a non-issue if my GF didn’t make us sit through all the credits to every movie we see…) There’s nothing quite like the quality of life delta that comes from waking up every morning and simply being able to see. Oh, and with periods of concerted effort I’ve been able to temporarily remove the astigmatism entirely, by basically training my eyes how to focus. There’s a good chance continuing to do that more frequently would give me a permanent fix too.
- mg 2y agoI still think dark mode should be a browser feature. Not a feature of every website. In a broader sense, the whole design of a site could be selectable via the browser. Similar to how CSS Zengarden works: https://www.csszengarden.com https://www.csszengarden.com But with layouts that are stored on the user's computer and applicable to every website.
- tkzed49 2y agoCSS zen garden worked because you had people writing different styles for a single HTML document. How would you write styles for every site? Sure CSS does colors, but it also does a lot of other stuff that isn't easily transferrable between websites.
- chris_wot 2y agoHTML that uses sane markup, ids and classes goes along way towards making CSS skinnable.
- 8n4vidtmkvmk 2y agoLook at classless style sheets. They can only go so far. Don't think you want every site looking like one of those barebones things.
- chris_wot 2y agoThey are cool, but I do think there is value to class-light pages.
- lukan 2y agoThere are extensions like dark reader and I use them. But you cannot just flip colors - pictures for example have to fit their background, for not breaking style.
- mg 2y ago
- kalium-xyz 2y agoWe could have saved a fortune in electricity if dark mode was a default and as a standard rolled out decades ago across everything. One of my old CS teachers would rant about googles evil choice of white background.
- marginalia_nu 2y agoIt's my understanding that most monitor types (except CRT and OLED) are literally just a filter over an always-on white backlight. Is this not correct, or is the light somehow re-absorbed and turned back to energy?
- mjevans 2y agoIt's more nuanced than that. Modern displays do use a backlight, but might not drive it at full brightness for mostly not-white displays.
- arp242 2y agoOn the other hand, people tend to crank up the brightness on "dark mode" themes.
- kalium-xyz 2y agoI personally do the opposite and use high contrast mode plus low brightness to safe battery on my non adaptive backlight lcd laptop. It also doesnt make any sense to do this considering brightness is relative. If im wrong about this please show me how.
- mjevans 2y agoKind of; the human eye shifts to adjust for the quantity of light. The ambient lighting in the environment also matters too; both for cameras and eyes. Perception matters. http://camera-wiki.org/wiki/White_balance http://camera-wiki.org/wiki/White_balance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_balance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_balance
- system2 2y agoI've been using Dark Reader for a long time and even donated for their amazing work. It is my favorite Chrome Extension by a large margin. https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/dark-reader/eimadpbcbfnmbkopoojfekhnkhdbieeh https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/dark-reader/eimadpb...
- mg 2y agoWhen I want to use a site in darkmode, I always use this code as a bookmarklet: s=document.createElement('style'); s.textContent=` * { color: #2c2 !important; background: #222 !important; font-family: arial !important; } `; document.head.appendChild(s); I use a lot of bookmarklets, so I wrote a tool to convert clean code to bookmarklets and vice versa: https://www.gibney.org/bookmarklet_editor https://www.gibney.org/bookmarklet_editor
- WithinReason 2y agoThere is also this: https://github.com/dolegi/222 https://github.com/dolegi/222 But widgets like this don't work as well as native support
- sva_ 2y agoSeems to cause issues with black SVG pictures for now Like in this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hopf_bifurcation https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hopf_bifurcation
- fsflover 2y agoSee also: Dark mode is not as good for your eyes as you believe (wired.com) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40904328 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40904328
- boomboomsubban 2y agoYou added an extra "d" breaking your link.
- fsflover 2y agoThanks, fixed.
- andirk 2y agoI use dark mode on my IDEs partially to feel cool. I also use max blue-light mod like Mac's Night Shift on everything. Helps the eyes. Then again, some things I expect to NOT be dark mode.
- deutschepost 2y agoI tried it yesterday and it completely breaks pictures with transparency. You cannot view a page about electronic circuits with dark mode on as they blend in with the background.
- looperhacks 2y agoThe android app has supported dark mode for years and images have always been broken. I hope it can be fixed, but except "make every transparent image have a white background" I don't know a good solution
- dsq 2y agoThe best dark mode in a browser I have so far experienced is in Opera, both mobile and desktop.
- Yawrehto 2y agoSo, when will they fix the graphs? It's been going on for over a year. Not that I mind dark mode, but it seems like first you fix the current problems, then you get around to adding new ones.