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What are you going to do, buy 1000 high value bait cars to evenly distribute over probable target areas and hope they get broken into so you can catch people? T

What are you going to do, buy 1000 high value bait cars to evenly distribute over probable target areas and hope they get broken into so you can catch people? That doesn't sound trivial to me or assuredly useful. It is also a decent investment for a city, with high depreciation and no guaranteed return. This also has obvious workarounds, like targeting residential neighborhoods with cars in driveways instead of cars on the street.

p51-remorse 2y ago
1000 cars could probably be had, new, for $30M. Not much for a large city or state. San Francisco’s city budget is in excess of 14B this year: https://www.kqed.org/news/11957640/budget-deep-dive-san-francisco https://www.kqed.org/news/11957640/budget-deep-dive-san-fran.... Seems like a trivial investment to reduce the #1 crime people have come to associate with your city. The guaranteed return is citizens not having their cars broken into. Better tourism, better economic opportunities (you can do a lot more business when you’re not worried about a degenerate breaking your windows). And anyway, you probably need closer to 10 cars. You don’t need very many high profile prosecutions before the average person gets the message.
- newzisforsukas 2y ago
  > 1000 cars could probably be had, new, for $30M. I'd assume no one is risking stealing $30,000 cars to sell internationally. > The guaranteed return is citizens not having their cars broken into. Better tourism, better economic opportunities (you can do a lot more business when you’re not worried about a degenerate breaking your windows). TFA is about stealing cars, not smash and grabs. > The guaranteed return is citizens not having their cars broken into. How? Stealing a car is already a high risk crime. If there is a less than .1% chance of encountering a bait car, and you are a desperate person, you probably aren't going to care much about the risk. > high profile prosecution If we were talking smash and grabs, there isn't going to be high profile prosecutions, and it doesn't seem like this is true [1]. [1] https://popcenter.asu.edu/content/sting-operations-page-5#:~:text=They%20Do%20Not%20Reduce%20or,crimes%20were%20prevented%20long%20term https://popcenter.asu.edu/content/sting-operations-page-5#:~....
  - p51-remorse 2y ago
    > Stealing a car is already a high risk crime. Not in SF, according to my several friends who have had cars stolen there recently. The cops don’t even care.
nradov 2y ago
The police always have lots of cars that were impounded or seized from other criminals. Just use those. They don't have to be high value. Cheaper cars such as Kias are common targets.

p51-remorse 2y ago

1000 cars could probably be had, new, for $30M. Not much for a large city or state. San Francisco’s city budget is in excess of 14B this year: https://www.kqed.org/news/11957640/budget-deep-dive-san-francisco https://www.kqed.org/news/11957640/budget-deep-dive-san-fran.... Seems like a trivial investment to reduce the #1 crime people have come to associate with your city. The guaranteed return is citizens not having their cars broken into. Better tourism, better economic opportunities (you can do a lot more business when you’re not worried about a degenerate breaking your windows). And anyway, you probably need closer to 10 cars. You don’t need very many high profile prosecutions before the average person gets the message.

newzisforsukas 2y ago
> 1000 cars could probably be had, new, for $30M. I'd assume no one is risking stealing $30,000 cars to sell internationally. > The guaranteed return is citizens not having their cars broken into. Better tourism, better economic opportunities (you can do a lot more business when you’re not worried about a degenerate breaking your windows). TFA is about stealing cars, not smash and grabs. > The guaranteed return is citizens not having their cars broken into. How? Stealing a car is already a high risk crime. If there is a less than .1% chance of encountering a bait car, and you are a desperate person, you probably aren't going to care much about the risk. > high profile prosecution If we were talking smash and grabs, there isn't going to be high profile prosecutions, and it doesn't seem like this is true [1]. [1] https://popcenter.asu.edu/content/sting-operations-page-5#:~:text=They%20Do%20Not%20Reduce%20or,crimes%20were%20prevented%20long%20term https://popcenter.asu.edu/content/sting-operations-page-5#:~....
- p51-remorse 2y ago
  > Stealing a car is already a high risk crime. Not in SF, according to my several friends who have had cars stolen there recently. The cops don’t even care.

nradov 2y ago

The police always have lots of cars that were impounded or seized from other criminals. Just use those. They don't have to be high value. Cheaper cars such as Kias are common targets.