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When I booked a long distance bus in Turkiye and in Azerbaijan, the interface showed me the gender of other people, and prevented me to sit next to someone of t

When I booked a long distance bus in Turkiye and in Azerbaijan, the interface showed me the gender of other people, and prevented me to sit next to someone of the opposite gender. There was also a special case for children. As far as I understand, this is required by law, so Flixbus and other companies had to implement this feature.

urbandw311er 2y ago
I wonder how this will/would work with trans people. I hope it is done with suitable sensitivity and sensibility.
- d1sxeyes 2y ago
  I'm not sure that society has reached a point where sensitivity and sensibility meet on trans rights topics. I think it's unlikely that an Indian airline will be the first to solve this problem.
- viciousvoxel 2y ago
  Really? I'm guessing very much not, given the track record of Islamic countries on LGBTQ+ issues
  - rand846633 2y ago
    It’s more complicated than that, for exactly Pakistan recognizes a third sex since years. It’s just rather shitty how they do it…
    - andsoitis 2y ago
      > It’s more complicated than that, for exactly Pakistan recognizes a third sex since years. It’s just rather shitty how they do it… Hijra (transgender, intersex, or eunuch) are recognized, but live at the margins of society on the Indian subcontinent. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijra_(South_Asia)#Social_status_and_economic_circumstances https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijra_(South_Asia)#Social_stat...
- dfadsadsf 2y ago
  Trans people and trans right are such a US/EU and a few Asian countries issue and some say fad - they literally do not exist anywhere else as a matter of public policy or visibility.
  - hdhdhsjsbdh 2y ago
    You’re just downright uninformed then. See, e.g. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathoey https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathoey Perhaps you consider it a fad because increasing visibility in Western culture/resulting culture war pushback has just now brought it to your personal attention. Just because you haven’t personally noticed them doesn’t mean trans people haven’t existed for hundreds of years in different capacities all over the globe.
    - financltravsty 2y ago
      These are not trans people like you see in the anglosphere. The same way Alexander the Great or Telemachus or Sappho or any other ancient Mediterranean were not gay in the modern sense. Western culture's version of trans/gay/lesbian/LGBTQ+ (awful term imo) is an artifact of that culture. And just because we look and act the same as others does not mean we are. It's like lumping the Middle East into one category -- when some inside wouldn't even consider themselves a part of it. E.g. just because I enjoy sucking dick does not mean I'm part of the [insert country that I have nothing in common with]'s gay community. And frankly I don't want to be lumped in with it.
      - drekk 2y ago
        I think it's really close-minded to stereotype millions of trans people and treat them like a monolith. Culture shapes behavior sure, but trans people globally operate under similar constraints. Whether or not you consider yourself part of the global or <insert country> LGBTQ+ community is pretty irrelevant to bigots. There's no way for you to appease or become "respectable" in their eyes, even if you throw trans people under the bus. You're always gonna be a f*g to them.
egorfine 2y ago
So, gender equality is seen as a moral right and is required by law in some countries, while the same is seen as a sin and is forbidden by law in others.
- greenyies 2y ago
  Equality doesn't mean that everything is equal. If you are 6'5 heigh equality could mean that smaller people sit or stand in front of you. For woman it doesn't mean they have to go to military but could.
  - viking123 2y ago
    I don't really get the military part tbh. When I went to army back in my country where it was only mandatory for men (but they always love preaching about equality), many of the men were such slobs that random women would have been much better suited for it.
    - greenyies 2y ago
      It's one of many examples were people get a wrong assumption if what equally has to mean. Allowing woman or enabling them to do 'men' things doesn't mean they have to do the exact thing as men. Like carrying the same weight. I'm not dismissive about woman in military at all but I'm also not in a country like Israel were it is common to have woman.
  - baobabKoodaa 2y ago
    So, in your words "equality" does not mean "everything is equal" and you mention "military" as an example. Did I get that right? You think that requiring half of the population - purely by gender - to perform forced labor for 12 months... is an example of "equality"? I would say it's a rather blatant example of inequality!

urbandw311er 2y ago

I wonder how this will/would work with trans people. I hope it is done with suitable sensitivity and sensibility.

d1sxeyes 2y ago
I'm not sure that society has reached a point where sensitivity and sensibility meet on trans rights topics. I think it's unlikely that an Indian airline will be the first to solve this problem.
viciousvoxel 2y ago
Really? I'm guessing very much not, given the track record of Islamic countries on LGBTQ+ issues
- rand846633 2y ago
  It’s more complicated than that, for exactly Pakistan recognizes a third sex since years. It’s just rather shitty how they do it…
  - andsoitis 2y ago
    > It’s more complicated than that, for exactly Pakistan recognizes a third sex since years. It’s just rather shitty how they do it… Hijra (transgender, intersex, or eunuch) are recognized, but live at the margins of society on the Indian subcontinent. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijra_(South_Asia)#Social_status_and_economic_circumstances https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijra_(South_Asia)#Social_stat...
dfadsadsf 2y ago
Trans people and trans right are such a US/EU and a few Asian countries issue and some say fad - they literally do not exist anywhere else as a matter of public policy or visibility.
- hdhdhsjsbdh 2y ago
  You’re just downright uninformed then. See, e.g. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathoey https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathoey Perhaps you consider it a fad because increasing visibility in Western culture/resulting culture war pushback has just now brought it to your personal attention. Just because you haven’t personally noticed them doesn’t mean trans people haven’t existed for hundreds of years in different capacities all over the globe.
  - financltravsty 2y ago
    These are not trans people like you see in the anglosphere. The same way Alexander the Great or Telemachus or Sappho or any other ancient Mediterranean were not gay in the modern sense. Western culture's version of trans/gay/lesbian/LGBTQ+ (awful term imo) is an artifact of that culture. And just because we look and act the same as others does not mean we are. It's like lumping the Middle East into one category -- when some inside wouldn't even consider themselves a part of it. E.g. just because I enjoy sucking dick does not mean I'm part of the [insert country that I have nothing in common with]'s gay community. And frankly I don't want to be lumped in with it.
    - drekk 2y ago
      I think it's really close-minded to stereotype millions of trans people and treat them like a monolith. Culture shapes behavior sure, but trans people globally operate under similar constraints. Whether or not you consider yourself part of the global or <insert country> LGBTQ+ community is pretty irrelevant to bigots. There's no way for you to appease or become "respectable" in their eyes, even if you throw trans people under the bus. You're always gonna be a f*g to them.

egorfine 2y ago

So, gender equality is seen as a moral right and is required by law in some countries, while the same is seen as a sin and is forbidden by law in others.

greenyies 2y ago
Equality doesn't mean that everything is equal. If you are 6'5 heigh equality could mean that smaller people sit or stand in front of you. For woman it doesn't mean they have to go to military but could.
- viking123 2y ago
  I don't really get the military part tbh. When I went to army back in my country where it was only mandatory for men (but they always love preaching about equality), many of the men were such slobs that random women would have been much better suited for it.
  - greenyies 2y ago
    It's one of many examples were people get a wrong assumption if what equally has to mean. Allowing woman or enabling them to do 'men' things doesn't mean they have to do the exact thing as men. Like carrying the same weight. I'm not dismissive about woman in military at all but I'm also not in a country like Israel were it is common to have woman.
- baobabKoodaa 2y ago
  So, in your words "equality" does not mean "everything is equal" and you mention "military" as an example. Did I get that right? You think that requiring half of the population - purely by gender - to perform forced labor for 12 months... is an example of "equality"? I would say it's a rather blatant example of inequality!