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Those with an iOS device can make the exact same choice - to get an Android device. If I don't want Apple to be my custodian, that's the choice I have. I don't

Those with an iOS device can make the exact same choice - to get an Android device. If I don't want Apple to be my custodian, that's the choice I have. I don't understand why people feel the need to force Apple into a specific strategy when they are not a monopoly. They aren't the only game in town, you don't _need_ an iPhone. Every single person who has an iPhone has chosen to have that device. Perhaps the reason people don't like the idea that if you want choice you choose the platform that gives you choice, is because Android is a steaming pile of garbage.

Daishiman 2y ago
They're not a monopoly; they're a duopoly. It is a marginally better position but I have no idea how you justify to yourself handing over a consumer's power to the largest tech company in the world.
- snapcaster 2y ago
  Because it's a set of tradeoffs and not a strict better/worse?
  - Daishiman 2y ago
    Apple is perfectly capable of having a phone that runs your own software with minimal trade offs, they just don’t want to because they’re not about empowering users but about creating a class of dependent consumers.
leptons 2y ago
>Every single person who has an iPhone has chosen to have that device. I didn't want an iphone. I was forced to get one, because Apple won't allow any web browser on their platform except their web browser. So I can't deliver a working website for iphone users without having a real iphone to develop on. This is an absolutely abusive, anti-competitive and shitty artificial limitation Apple has forced on the world. I'd really rather just tell my users to install Chrome or Firefox and use that instead of being forced to use Safari. This isn't good for developers, and it's not good for their customers whether they know it or not.
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lomase 2y ago
It is sad when even here people dont care about the right to run whatever code you want in the hardware you own.
- Nab443 2y ago
  You're mistaken, you don't actually own it.
  - lomase 2y ago
    You are mistaken. I bougth it, is not a lease, is not a license to use it, I own the device. I should be able to run whatever I want on it. Stop spreading missinformation, you are thinking about software.
  - ar_lan 2y ago
    This is not true - you do own your phone if you pay for it outright. Apple cannot take away your phone. As far as the software - Apple owns iOS and licenses it to you for your device.
amelius 2y ago
> I don't understand why people feel the need to force Apple into a specific strategy when they are not a monopoly. According to your argument, they __are__ a monopoly. I.e. one on digital serfdom. Because apparently Android is in a different field.
Slyfox33 2y ago
Apple, the trillion dollar company, doesn't need you to defend their shit business practices for them.

Daishiman 2y ago

They're not a monopoly; they're a duopoly. It is a marginally better position but I have no idea how you justify to yourself handing over a consumer's power to the largest tech company in the world.

snapcaster 2y ago
Because it's a set of tradeoffs and not a strict better/worse?
- Daishiman 2y ago
  Apple is perfectly capable of having a phone that runs your own software with minimal trade offs, they just don’t want to because they’re not about empowering users but about creating a class of dependent consumers.

leptons 2y ago

>Every single person who has an iPhone has chosen to have that device. I didn't want an iphone. I was forced to get one, because Apple won't allow any web browser on their platform except their web browser. So I can't deliver a working website for iphone users without having a real iphone to develop on. This is an absolutely abusive, anti-competitive and shitty artificial limitation Apple has forced on the world. I'd really rather just tell my users to install Chrome or Firefox and use that instead of being forced to use Safari. This isn't good for developers, and it's not good for their customers whether they know it or not.

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lomase 2y ago

It is sad when even here people dont care about the right to run whatever code you want in the hardware you own.

Nab443 2y ago
You're mistaken, you don't actually own it.
- lomase 2y ago
  You are mistaken. I bougth it, is not a lease, is not a license to use it, I own the device. I should be able to run whatever I want on it. Stop spreading missinformation, you are thinking about software.
- ar_lan 2y ago
  This is not true - you do own your phone if you pay for it outright. Apple cannot take away your phone. As far as the software - Apple owns iOS and licenses it to you for your device.

amelius 2y ago

> I don't understand why people feel the need to force Apple into a specific strategy when they are not a monopoly. According to your argument, they __are__ a monopoly. I.e. one on digital serfdom. Because apparently Android is in a different field.

Slyfox33 2y ago

Apple, the trillion dollar company, doesn't need you to defend their shit business practices for them.