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Chinese cars? really? They are at best a hazard. The Chinese government dumped tons of money into every one of those cars, they are being sold at a loss. Not

Chinese cars? really? They are at best a hazard. The Chinese government dumped tons of money into every one of those cars, they are being sold at a loss. Not because it's good for any one, rather because china fucked up. Every single one of those cars is a state funded fire hazard about to go on the road. EDITL: cause looking up data is hard apparently: western data: https://www.edmunds.com/electric-car/articles/electric-car-fires.html https://www.edmunds.com/electric-car/articles/electric-car-f... The data we see from china: https://news.metal.com/newscontent/101781161/there-are-about-2000-fires-in-more-than-800000-electric-vehicle-related-enterprises-in-china-every-year# https://news.metal.com/newscontent/101781161/there-are-about... The anti china reporting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMKpCiDomgM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMKpCiDomgM Do note, that were talking about a nation that will happily NOT report on stats like youth employment when its bad, so take what you read with more than a few grains of salt.

chii 2y ago
do you have any evidence that they're more prone to fire than any other EVs?
- zer00eyz 2y ago
  https://news.metal.com/newscontent/102243830/tragedy-of-electric-car-catching-fire-immediately-after-collision-in-china’s-hangzhou-city-renews-concerns-over-safety-of-nickel-manganese-cobalt-nmc-811-battery https://news.metal.com/newscontent/102243830/tragedy-of-elec... The Chinese government cant even keep it under wraps with how bad it is. If you pay attention to Chinese news there's a few of them every week. And thats the ones we hear about, mostly because the were spontaneous, or in buildings/gargages, or people die. Go look it's hard to fuckin miss.
  - geysersam 2y ago
    If it was only a safety issue the governments in the US and EU would only need the existing legal infrastructure for car safety to regulate Chinese electric vehicles. The US tariffs are not even officially claimed to have anything to do with safety, but everything to do with industrial competition.
  - TaylorAlexander 2y ago
    I will take it on faith that you’ve seen loads of examples but I’d be particularly interested in statistics about the number of fires per vehicle produced compared to the same for vehicles from other companies. Obviously one article saying that an EV caught fire isn’t compelling as we have that here too. The problem was so bad with the Chevy Bolt EV that some of them caught fire while just sitting in people’s driveways and the entire fleet had to be recalled. Without statistics I’m totally unmoved by even a long list of Chinese examples as the same can be produced here too. And Teslas have killed plenty of people due to faulty self driving software!
Dylan16807 2y ago
Cars have gotten a lot safer over the years, so how far of a setback would this be? Are they on par with 90s cars? 80s? 50s? https://www.euroncap.com/en/results/byd/dolphin/50011 https://www.euroncap.com/en/results/byd/dolphin/50011 Hmm, that's a pretty good score. Is this version different?
- zer00eyz 2y ago
  UHH western data: https://www.edmunds.com/electric-car/articles/electric-car-fires.html https://www.edmunds.com/electric-car/articles/electric-car-f... The data we see from china: https://news.metal.com/newscontent/101781161/there-are-about-2000-fires-in-more-than-800000-electric-vehicle-related-enterprises-in-china-every-year# https://news.metal.com/newscontent/101781161/there-are-about... The anti china reporting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMKpCiDomgM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMKpCiDomgM Edit: it's a battery fire, so lithium, a metal. It does not go out. You just let it burn till it's done being angry. The Chinese ones are doing it at random. Sometimes with people in the car.
TaylorAlexander 2y ago
Personally I don’t hold this view of China. I think they invested in manufacturing while we divested and now they’re simply reaping the rewards of those investments by producing superior or soon to be superior technology. A lot of people in the west have a vested interest in discrediting Chinese manufacturing but if we put our heads in the sand and refuse to see what is really happening they’re just going to pass us by. Note that basically every automobile producing country puts government money in to that industry so highlighting that China is doing it is on its own meaningless.
kevin_thibedeau 2y ago
The problem is the wheels fall off in a fender bender and there's only a 50% chance the airbags will deploy when needed.
- kjkjadksj 2y ago
  So its at least as good as Chrysler.
- TaylorAlexander 2y ago
  At least the steering wheel doesn’t fall off while you’re driving: https://techcrunch.com/2023/03/08/tesla-under-investigation-after-steering-wheels-fall-off-two-model-y-vehicles/ https://techcrunch.com/2023/03/08/tesla-under-investigation-...

chii 2y ago

do you have any evidence that they're more prone to fire than any other EVs?

zer00eyz 2y ago
https://news.metal.com/newscontent/102243830/tragedy-of-electric-car-catching-fire-immediately-after-collision-in-china’s-hangzhou-city-renews-concerns-over-safety-of-nickel-manganese-cobalt-nmc-811-battery https://news.metal.com/newscontent/102243830/tragedy-of-elec... The Chinese government cant even keep it under wraps with how bad it is. If you pay attention to Chinese news there's a few of them every week. And thats the ones we hear about, mostly because the were spontaneous, or in buildings/gargages, or people die. Go look it's hard to fuckin miss.
- geysersam 2y ago
  If it was only a safety issue the governments in the US and EU would only need the existing legal infrastructure for car safety to regulate Chinese electric vehicles. The US tariffs are not even officially claimed to have anything to do with safety, but everything to do with industrial competition.
- TaylorAlexander 2y ago
  I will take it on faith that you’ve seen loads of examples but I’d be particularly interested in statistics about the number of fires per vehicle produced compared to the same for vehicles from other companies. Obviously one article saying that an EV caught fire isn’t compelling as we have that here too. The problem was so bad with the Chevy Bolt EV that some of them caught fire while just sitting in people’s driveways and the entire fleet had to be recalled. Without statistics I’m totally unmoved by even a long list of Chinese examples as the same can be produced here too. And Teslas have killed plenty of people due to faulty self driving software!

Dylan16807 2y ago

Cars have gotten a lot safer over the years, so how far of a setback would this be? Are they on par with 90s cars? 80s? 50s? https://www.euroncap.com/en/results/byd/dolphin/50011 https://www.euroncap.com/en/results/byd/dolphin/50011 Hmm, that's a pretty good score. Is this version different?

zer00eyz 2y ago
UHH western data: https://www.edmunds.com/electric-car/articles/electric-car-fires.html https://www.edmunds.com/electric-car/articles/electric-car-f... The data we see from china: https://news.metal.com/newscontent/101781161/there-are-about-2000-fires-in-more-than-800000-electric-vehicle-related-enterprises-in-china-every-year# https://news.metal.com/newscontent/101781161/there-are-about... The anti china reporting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMKpCiDomgM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMKpCiDomgM Edit: it's a battery fire, so lithium, a metal. It does not go out. You just let it burn till it's done being angry. The Chinese ones are doing it at random. Sometimes with people in the car.

TaylorAlexander 2y ago

Personally I don’t hold this view of China. I think they invested in manufacturing while we divested and now they’re simply reaping the rewards of those investments by producing superior or soon to be superior technology. A lot of people in the west have a vested interest in discrediting Chinese manufacturing but if we put our heads in the sand and refuse to see what is really happening they’re just going to pass us by. Note that basically every automobile producing country puts government money in to that industry so highlighting that China is doing it is on its own meaningless.

kevin_thibedeau 2y ago

The problem is the wheels fall off in a fender bender and there's only a 50% chance the airbags will deploy when needed.

kjkjadksj 2y ago
So its at least as good as Chrysler.
TaylorAlexander 2y ago
At least the steering wheel doesn’t fall off while you’re driving: https://techcrunch.com/2023/03/08/tesla-under-investigation-after-steering-wheels-fall-off-two-model-y-vehicles/ https://techcrunch.com/2023/03/08/tesla-under-investigation-...