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I think this ultimately becomes a religious discussion; even the article (wrongly in our view) calls Darwin "god-like" and suggests that belief in animals havin

I think this ultimately becomes a religious discussion; even the article (wrongly in our view) calls Darwin "god-like" and suggests that belief in animals having consciousness is "heresy" (this perhaps borders on theological error, rather than heresy?) It is a long-standing religious belief that animals do not possess a rational immortal soul and neither do they possess the ability to choose good or evil but are instead governed by instinct, which is why we don't put animals on trial for crimes as it is presumed they have no consciousness of what is right and wrong like humans do It might be worth reviewing many of the characteristics unique to humans to by way of contrast appreciate how different humans are from other creatures Animals lack the "moral consciousness" and dignity that is unique to humans which is why most people are comfortable even killing animals and eating them as food, while "cannibalism" is thought to be a barbaric immoral practice contrary to unique human dignity Articles like these in our view are being pushed possibly to degrade humans to the level of animals so as to justify animal-like immoral behavior

defrost 2y ago
Just for reference: > the article (wrongly in our view) calls Darwin "god-like" It does not. The exact quote is: Charles Darwin enjoys a near god-like status among scientists for his theory of evolution. It's an idiom that does NOT claim Darwin is like an actual god, it's also a statement that I disagree with as not all scientists consider Darwin to hold that status, a good number credit Wallace with the theory, with holding it first, for having better evidence, and Darwin holding the home court advantage being in England and able to present in person to the Royal Society. > which is why we don't put animals on trial for crimes You may not but many animals have been put on trial for crimes throughout history. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_trial https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_trial > Animals lack the "moral consciousness" and dignity that is unique to humans Your opinion is noted .. although appears to have been eronously made as if a statement of fact which is debated, as discussed in the article.
- sitkack 2y ago
  > Animals lack the "moral consciousness" and dignity that is unique to humans This is a ridiculous statement! Step on a dog and apologize and it will understand, step on a dog and don't apologize and it will be angry. Animals definitely have a moral code.
dekhn 2y ago
If there is a holy temple of science, Darwin (along with quite a few others) would be worshipped. (if you walk into an old physics building where experiments of import have been done, there is often a vestibule filled with the old hardware. In some ways it feels like a holy temple of science containing relics....)

defrost 2y ago

Just for reference: > the article (wrongly in our view) calls Darwin "god-like" It does not. The exact quote is: Charles Darwin enjoys a near god-like status among scientists for his theory of evolution. It's an idiom that does NOT claim Darwin is like an actual god, it's also a statement that I disagree with as not all scientists consider Darwin to hold that status, a good number credit Wallace with the theory, with holding it first, for having better evidence, and Darwin holding the home court advantage being in England and able to present in person to the Royal Society. > which is why we don't put animals on trial for crimes You may not but many animals have been put on trial for crimes throughout history. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_trial https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_trial > Animals lack the "moral consciousness" and dignity that is unique to humans Your opinion is noted .. although appears to have been eronously made as if a statement of fact which is debated, as discussed in the article.

sitkack 2y ago
> Animals lack the "moral consciousness" and dignity that is unique to humans This is a ridiculous statement! Step on a dog and apologize and it will understand, step on a dog and don't apologize and it will be angry. Animals definitely have a moral code.

dekhn 2y ago

If there is a holy temple of science, Darwin (along with quite a few others) would be worshipped. (if you walk into an old physics building where experiments of import have been done, there is often a vestibule filled with the old hardware. In some ways it feels like a holy temple of science containing relics....)