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In summary: the only customers that matter --corporations paying site licenses-- declared this to be an unacceptable business risk. Anyone who is still using w

In summary: the only customers that matter --corporations paying site licenses-- declared this to be an unacceptable business risk. Anyone who is still using windows in 2024 and isnt a multinational business or llc gets what they deserve.

UberFly 2y ago
I'm neither of those things and Windows 10 Enterprise is working fine for me. Many of us (for now) are still able to corral our OS.
- rchaud 2y ago
  What about when Win10 falls out of support in Oct 2025?
  - UberFly 2y ago
    Windows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC is supported until 2030.
pavel_lishin 2y ago
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- Filligree 2y ago
  Worse, using computers without being experts on them.
jcfrei 2y ago
Not quite true: The other huge group of customers is simply gamers.
- chabons 2y ago
  And more generally, consumers of Windows-only software, of which there is still a ton.
- JonathanMerklin 2y ago
  Genuinely asking: is that huge in terms of their install base or revenue, or is that huge in terms of PR ramifications (like, "vocal minority" type of deal)? In my younger days I'd've had a heavily skewed pro-gamer and pro-authority-of-the-gamer-rabble viewpoint, but now at this phase of my life I can't help but feel the majority of the places I see Windows are all in business and education contexts (so just business, heyo). I'd be curious to know if the gamer-rabble still holds the kind of weight in the social media aggregate that, say, got the Kinect-as-mandatory stuff walked back.
  - vsuperpower2020 2y ago
    Was "gamer-rabble" the word of the day?
    - JonathanMerklin 2y ago
      Perhaps not the hyphenated form, but I'd had a chat with a friend a couple days ago where we meandered around some surface level philosophy and I paraphrased a section or two from Thus Spoke Zarathustra about the rabble ([1]), so I'm sure that's why it was front of mind. I only used it twice just to be clear that it was referring to the same thing, I didn't intend for any semantic satiation or emphasis through repetition. My apologies! [1] http://www.literaturepage.com/read/thusspakezarathustra-107.html http://www.literaturepage.com/read/thusspakezarathustra-107....
  - cortesoft 2y ago
    There is an estimate 1.86 billion PC gamers worldwide. https://explodingtopics.com/blog/pc-gaming-stats# https://explodingtopics.com/blog/pc-gaming-stats#
  - walterbell 2y ago
    Windows 10 runs on > 1 billion devices.
  - ARandumGuy 2y ago
    Steam has a daily peak userbase of around 33 million users[1]. I haven't been able to find a recent monthly user count, but it's certainly a lot of users. The Steam hardware survey reports over 96% of surveyed users use Windows[2]. Now, we can't say for sure how many of these users primarily use their PC for gaming. But it's probably a lot of them. PC gaming is huge, and it's one of the few areas where a general consumer actually needs a PC, and can't use a phone or tablet. [1]: https://store.steampowered.com/charts/ https://store.steampowered.com/charts/ [2]: https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/Steam-Hardware-Software-Survey-Welcome-to-Steam https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/Steam-Hardware-Softw...
- MrDrMcCoy 2y ago
  Gaming on Linux is pretty good now for games that don't demand ring0-spyware.
wruza 2y ago
And what should we choose instead? $$$$ set of adapters or Kubuntu that can’t calm down with updates and sudo password? Before putting me in crazy fanboy fandom, I’ve used all three systems each for at least a decade now (and counting), and windows wins workstation pc award by simply being alone in the league of what works out of box with no additional expenses or headaches. Edit: don’t get me wrong I hate ms, but I hate stupid bugs and restrictions much more.
999900000999 2y ago
What if you can't afford a Mac, and you're not technically literate enough to install Ubuntu ? Speaking for myself, I dual boot mint and windows because I really like playing games and making music. Both of those are absolutely subpar on Linux. Outside of our nerd bubble, most normal people don't really want to run desktop Linux. Macs are great, but I can't really game on them.
- jahewson 2y ago
  What is this laptop that costs less than a Mac but is good for gaming?
  - MeetingsBrowser 2y ago
    A desktop, lol Most people playing games or on a desktop, not a laptop.
  - FactKnower69 2y ago
    Steam Deck + bluetooth mouse and keyboard + external monitor if you want
  - xcv123 2y ago
    There are cheap gaming laptops from Dell, HP, MSI, Asus, Gigabyte, Lenovo, Acer, Razer. Dell G15
  - filleduchaos 2y ago
    Honestly, pretty much every laptop that isn't an absolute potato is good enough for gaming. Contrary to what both people who don't really play games and people who make their gaming rigs their entire identity tend to think, the vast majority of games on the market run just fine on half-decent hardware with a concession here and there as far as resolution, particle systems, etc go. At $700+ you can get plenty of bang for your buck; even more so if you buy secondhand.
  - 999900000999 2y ago
    I just purchased a Amd 8845HS for about 750$ and I can run most games at mid spec. Tossed in a 4TB SSD and I'm very happy with my purchase. I have Mint installed along with Windows. Price out a 4TB Mac, you'll be spending an unholy amount of money. Plus in a few years when the 8TB SSDs are cheaper it's an easy upgrade.
wilsonnb3 2y ago
> Anyone who is still using windows in 2024 and isnt a multinational business or llc gets what they deserve. Yeah, enjoy your just desserts of games that work, HDR that works, variable refresh rates that work, sleep and wake that works, the ability to run the software you need to use, one of the best IDEs available, fantastic backwards compatibility, etc
- IshKebab 2y ago
  Eh who needs more than 90 minutes of battery life anyway?
- Gormo 2y ago
  You seem to be describing Linux, but the previous comment was about Windows.
- irusensei 2y ago
  > sleep and wake that works That’s not Windows.
  - zer0zzz 2y ago
    It’s not Linux either.
quickthrowman 2y ago
I work for an S-Corp with ~500 office employees and high nine-figure revenue (in dollars). All of our industry specific software is only available on Windows.
- jahewson 2y ago
  What’s your industry?
  - quickthrowman 2y ago
    Construction. Trimble and Autodesk are the two main industry specific vendors we use software from.
- userbinator 2y ago
  Time to try WINE.
jmholla 2y ago
> In summary: the only customers that matter --corporations paying site licenses-- declared this to be an unacceptable business risk. I think it's more narrow than that. Yesterday, Brad Smith (president of Microsoft) went in front of the House committee for Homeland security and they were making the case that Microsoft is a national security risk. Corporate customers may react based off of that testimony, but given the timing, it feels like the US government is the motivating factor for this announcement today.
qsdf38100 2y ago
No, they also try to attract non-pro developers with a free OS, free programming suites and languages, free web frameworks, free web server, all that with a home edition. They also claim to embrace open source, etc. They care about their image as a relevant and alive Linux and Apple alternative for developers, and I don't mean the ones forced into it because of their job. Now they also want to attract the "masses" so in the end on Windows you'll get a lot of crappy "user-friendly" stuff. There is the ad situation also, but is really not as bad as I keep hearing about, I'm not even sure what it refers to exactly. The only times I see ads is when I mistype something in the start menu, and I start getting irrelevant web search results from bing or whatever, with ads, just like when googling. I guess that's what I "deserve"? It didn't bother me enough to try disabling it anyway. And finally, obviously if I'm using Windows it means I accepted that I implicitly trust Microsoft, just like anyone with an iPhone/Android implicitly trusts Apple/Google. I try to minimize the number of actors which I trust. Actually Microsoft doesn't scare me too much because they are always under the spot lights, with lots of harsh criticism, so they have much more to loose than smaller/more "reputable" players. So, anyway, I don't really see why I should care that some new crappy feature could help them spy on me, as they could spy on me anytime anyway.

UberFly 2y ago

I'm neither of those things and Windows 10 Enterprise is working fine for me. Many of us (for now) are still able to corral our OS.

rchaud 2y ago
What about when Win10 falls out of support in Oct 2025?
- UberFly 2y ago
  Windows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC is supported until 2030.

pavel_lishin 2y ago

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Filligree 2y ago
Worse, using computers without being experts on them.

jcfrei 2y ago

Not quite true: The other huge group of customers is simply gamers.

chabons 2y ago
And more generally, consumers of Windows-only software, of which there is still a ton.
JonathanMerklin 2y ago
Genuinely asking: is that huge in terms of their install base or revenue, or is that huge in terms of PR ramifications (like, "vocal minority" type of deal)? In my younger days I'd've had a heavily skewed pro-gamer and pro-authority-of-the-gamer-rabble viewpoint, but now at this phase of my life I can't help but feel the majority of the places I see Windows are all in business and education contexts (so just business, heyo). I'd be curious to know if the gamer-rabble still holds the kind of weight in the social media aggregate that, say, got the Kinect-as-mandatory stuff walked back.
- vsuperpower2020 2y ago
  Was "gamer-rabble" the word of the day?
  - JonathanMerklin 2y ago
    Perhaps not the hyphenated form, but I'd had a chat with a friend a couple days ago where we meandered around some surface level philosophy and I paraphrased a section or two from Thus Spoke Zarathustra about the rabble ([1]), so I'm sure that's why it was front of mind. I only used it twice just to be clear that it was referring to the same thing, I didn't intend for any semantic satiation or emphasis through repetition. My apologies! [1] http://www.literaturepage.com/read/thusspakezarathustra-107.html http://www.literaturepage.com/read/thusspakezarathustra-107....
- cortesoft 2y ago
  There is an estimate 1.86 billion PC gamers worldwide. https://explodingtopics.com/blog/pc-gaming-stats# https://explodingtopics.com/blog/pc-gaming-stats#
- walterbell 2y ago
  Windows 10 runs on > 1 billion devices.
- ARandumGuy 2y ago
  Steam has a daily peak userbase of around 33 million users[1]. I haven't been able to find a recent monthly user count, but it's certainly a lot of users. The Steam hardware survey reports over 96% of surveyed users use Windows[2]. Now, we can't say for sure how many of these users primarily use their PC for gaming. But it's probably a lot of them. PC gaming is huge, and it's one of the few areas where a general consumer actually needs a PC, and can't use a phone or tablet. [1]: https://store.steampowered.com/charts/ https://store.steampowered.com/charts/ [2]: https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/Steam-Hardware-Software-Survey-Welcome-to-Steam https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/Steam-Hardware-Softw...
MrDrMcCoy 2y ago
Gaming on Linux is pretty good now for games that don't demand ring0-spyware.

wruza 2y ago

And what should we choose instead? $$$$ set of adapters or Kubuntu that can’t calm down with updates and sudo password? Before putting me in crazy fanboy fandom, I’ve used all three systems each for at least a decade now (and counting), and windows wins workstation pc award by simply being alone in the league of what works out of box with no additional expenses or headaches. Edit: don’t get me wrong I hate ms, but I hate stupid bugs and restrictions much more.

999900000999 2y ago

What if you can't afford a Mac, and you're not technically literate enough to install Ubuntu ? Speaking for myself, I dual boot mint and windows because I really like playing games and making music. Both of those are absolutely subpar on Linux. Outside of our nerd bubble, most normal people don't really want to run desktop Linux. Macs are great, but I can't really game on them.

jahewson 2y ago
What is this laptop that costs less than a Mac but is good for gaming?
- MeetingsBrowser 2y ago
  A desktop, lol Most people playing games or on a desktop, not a laptop.
- FactKnower69 2y ago
  Steam Deck + bluetooth mouse and keyboard + external monitor if you want
- xcv123 2y ago
  There are cheap gaming laptops from Dell, HP, MSI, Asus, Gigabyte, Lenovo, Acer, Razer. Dell G15
- filleduchaos 2y ago
  Honestly, pretty much every laptop that isn't an absolute potato is good enough for gaming. Contrary to what both people who don't really play games and people who make their gaming rigs their entire identity tend to think, the vast majority of games on the market run just fine on half-decent hardware with a concession here and there as far as resolution, particle systems, etc go. At $700+ you can get plenty of bang for your buck; even more so if you buy secondhand.
- 999900000999 2y ago
  I just purchased a Amd 8845HS for about 750$ and I can run most games at mid spec. Tossed in a 4TB SSD and I'm very happy with my purchase. I have Mint installed along with Windows. Price out a 4TB Mac, you'll be spending an unholy amount of money. Plus in a few years when the 8TB SSDs are cheaper it's an easy upgrade.

wilsonnb3 2y ago

> Anyone who is still using windows in 2024 and isnt a multinational business or llc gets what they deserve. Yeah, enjoy your just desserts of games that work, HDR that works, variable refresh rates that work, sleep and wake that works, the ability to run the software you need to use, one of the best IDEs available, fantastic backwards compatibility, etc

IshKebab 2y ago
Eh who needs more than 90 minutes of battery life anyway?
Gormo 2y ago
You seem to be describing Linux, but the previous comment was about Windows.
irusensei 2y ago
> sleep and wake that works That’s not Windows.
- zer0zzz 2y ago
  It’s not Linux either.

quickthrowman 2y ago

I work for an S-Corp with ~500 office employees and high nine-figure revenue (in dollars). All of our industry specific software is only available on Windows.

jahewson 2y ago
What’s your industry?
- quickthrowman 2y ago
  Construction. Trimble and Autodesk are the two main industry specific vendors we use software from.
userbinator 2y ago
Time to try WINE.

jmholla 2y ago

> In summary: the only customers that matter --corporations paying site licenses-- declared this to be an unacceptable business risk. I think it's more narrow than that. Yesterday, Brad Smith (president of Microsoft) went in front of the House committee for Homeland security and they were making the case that Microsoft is a national security risk. Corporate customers may react based off of that testimony, but given the timing, it feels like the US government is the motivating factor for this announcement today.

qsdf38100 2y ago

No, they also try to attract non-pro developers with a free OS, free programming suites and languages, free web frameworks, free web server, all that with a home edition. They also claim to embrace open source, etc. They care about their image as a relevant and alive Linux and Apple alternative for developers, and I don't mean the ones forced into it because of their job. Now they also want to attract the "masses" so in the end on Windows you'll get a lot of crappy "user-friendly" stuff. There is the ad situation also, but is really not as bad as I keep hearing about, I'm not even sure what it refers to exactly. The only times I see ads is when I mistype something in the start menu, and I start getting irrelevant web search results from bing or whatever, with ads, just like when googling. I guess that's what I "deserve"? It didn't bother me enough to try disabling it anyway. And finally, obviously if I'm using Windows it means I accepted that I implicitly trust Microsoft, just like anyone with an iPhone/Android implicitly trusts Apple/Google. I try to minimize the number of actors which I trust. Actually Microsoft doesn't scare me too much because they are always under the spot lights, with lots of harsh criticism, so they have much more to loose than smaller/more "reputable" players. So, anyway, I don't really see why I should care that some new crappy feature could help them spy on me, as they could spy on me anytime anyway.