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Why do we trust human journalists exactly? Very few of them are interested in truth. This article is motivated by the same existential anger we see from artists

Why do we trust human journalists exactly? Very few of them are interested in truth. This article is motivated by the same existential anger we see from artists. Human journalists have a horrible track record spreading war and misery and lies. Plus sounds like this guy would be the type to cheap out and use GPT-3.5 and save money on tokens. We're just going to write off journalism done by GPT-7?

afavour 2y ago
> Why do we trust human journalists exactly? Well, by default we don’t. We typically trust human journalists either because they produce evidence alongside their work or because they have a good enough track record of being right that we believe they are this time too. It’s a pretty fuzzy thing. To me the core failure in the concept of AI news is that all AI does is regurgitate things other people have written. I know, I know, “that’s all journalists do lol” but in reality journalists do a lot of boots on the ground reporting, they conduct interviews, so on. Even if GPT-7 totally solves problems like hallucinations there’s still the fundamental problem of it having no first hand knowledge. And very specifically in the world of breaking news (which human journalists get wrong often too) it feels immensely risky.
- telepathy 2y ago
  None of those problems are solved by using humans instead of AI. Very few journalists are doing "boots on the ground" interviews. They're lazy. And why can't an AI do a zoom interview?
  - afavour 2y ago
    > Very few journalists are doing "boots on the ground" interviews. They're lazy. Sigh. Of course there are a lot of lazy journalists. There are a lot of lazy everything. There are also journalists putting themselves in significant danger reporting in warzones. Is all of their work invalid because some lazy people write clickbait? No. The answer is no. > And why can’t an AI do a zoom interview Not everyone is available on Zoom. Not everyone wants to be interviewed. Some interview subjects have to be tracked down and forced to answer questions. In a breaking news scenario it’s incredibly valuable to have trusted physical presence. Imagine the next 9/11. How will we be able to trust AI isn’t being fooled by deepfake videos posted to YouTube?
  - beepbooptheory 2y ago
    Maybe I am little confused but wouldn't you still need, at minimum, someone to like hold the phone up to the interviewee?
  - 1659447091 2y ago
    How is it solved using AI? > Very few journalists are doing "boots on the ground" interviews So at least a few are then? That's more boots than AI has
  - shagie 2y ago
    > And why can't an AI do a zoom interview? From a year ago... https://www.npr.org/series/1178395718/planet-money-makes-an-episode-using-ai https://www.npr.org/series/1178395718/planet-money-makes-an-... > MALONE: Yeah. We had told the AI, write five interview questions that would help an audience understand this academic paper. And we were going to just read those questions word for word to these academics. And Jeff and I were a little nervous, to be honest, 'cause would they figure this out, and if they did, were they going to be mad at us? > ... > GUO: Yeah. So Dan starts talking to us about AI and the kinds of jobs it might replace, but he goes out of his way to reassure us. He says, you two, Kenny and Jeff. AI probably won't be coming for your jobs. > GROSS: That AI won't be able to ask a question as incisive as the one you just came up with. So perhaps you're safe. > MALONE: Hey, hold. On, I got to - we were going to - I have to jump in. Are you aware of what's happening? Because AI 100% generated all the questions that we asked you.
  - janalsncm 2y ago
    Have you considered the possibility that the people you are interviewing may be lying? If the CEO of Dow Chemical gets on Zoom and says the things they’re dumping in the river are safe, what is your AI journalist going to do?
    - telepathy 2y ago
      yeah they do the same thing with humans. except human journalists give you a false sense of security if it's parroted by NYTimes' Judith Miller (or 1000s of other examples)
threeseed 2y ago
> Human journalists have a horrible track record Do they ? Would like to see some statistics on this. Given that journalism produces a lot of content each day and majority is fine.
- telepathy 2y ago
  I don't think anyone is alleging the majority of BNN was not "fine." It's some tiny percentage that was apparently controversial - just like human journalists. Judith Miller is a good example to look at if you're having trouble with this
  - threeseed 2y ago
    You can't say anything about journalism at large if you're talking about a few people.
    - telepathy 2y ago
      Then you can't say anything about AI journalism at large if you're talking about a few prompts/models
add-sub-mul-div 2y ago
> Why do we trust human journalists exactly? Humans are (not often enough in practice, but in principle) accountable. Look at Fox News and Alex Jones paying out over $1 billion for their lies about the election and Sandy Hook, respectively.
- telepathy 2y ago
  Good one
xarope 2y ago
on the other hand, that's what the pulitzer prize for public service is for, to highlight the efforts of journalists who do precisely this; the truth, and the willingness and effort to put their careers, and sometimes lives, on the line, for the truth - or so my idealist side would like to believe. e.g. watch the movie "Spotlight", https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spotlight_(film) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spotlight_(film)
- telepathy 2y ago
  Stop trying to learn about reality from movies

afavour 2y ago

> Why do we trust human journalists exactly? Well, by default we don’t. We typically trust human journalists either because they produce evidence alongside their work or because they have a good enough track record of being right that we believe they are this time too. It’s a pretty fuzzy thing. To me the core failure in the concept of AI news is that all AI does is regurgitate things other people have written. I know, I know, “that’s all journalists do lol” but in reality journalists do a lot of boots on the ground reporting, they conduct interviews, so on. Even if GPT-7 totally solves problems like hallucinations there’s still the fundamental problem of it having no first hand knowledge. And very specifically in the world of breaking news (which human journalists get wrong often too) it feels immensely risky.

telepathy 2y ago
None of those problems are solved by using humans instead of AI. Very few journalists are doing "boots on the ground" interviews. They're lazy. And why can't an AI do a zoom interview?
- afavour 2y ago
  > Very few journalists are doing "boots on the ground" interviews. They're lazy. Sigh. Of course there are a lot of lazy journalists. There are a lot of lazy everything. There are also journalists putting themselves in significant danger reporting in warzones. Is all of their work invalid because some lazy people write clickbait? No. The answer is no. > And why can’t an AI do a zoom interview Not everyone is available on Zoom. Not everyone wants to be interviewed. Some interview subjects have to be tracked down and forced to answer questions. In a breaking news scenario it’s incredibly valuable to have trusted physical presence. Imagine the next 9/11. How will we be able to trust AI isn’t being fooled by deepfake videos posted to YouTube?
- beepbooptheory 2y ago
  Maybe I am little confused but wouldn't you still need, at minimum, someone to like hold the phone up to the interviewee?
- 1659447091 2y ago
  How is it solved using AI? > Very few journalists are doing "boots on the ground" interviews So at least a few are then? That's more boots than AI has
- shagie 2y ago
  > And why can't an AI do a zoom interview? From a year ago... https://www.npr.org/series/1178395718/planet-money-makes-an-episode-using-ai https://www.npr.org/series/1178395718/planet-money-makes-an-... > MALONE: Yeah. We had told the AI, write five interview questions that would help an audience understand this academic paper. And we were going to just read those questions word for word to these academics. And Jeff and I were a little nervous, to be honest, 'cause would they figure this out, and if they did, were they going to be mad at us? > ... > GUO: Yeah. So Dan starts talking to us about AI and the kinds of jobs it might replace, but he goes out of his way to reassure us. He says, you two, Kenny and Jeff. AI probably won't be coming for your jobs. > GROSS: That AI won't be able to ask a question as incisive as the one you just came up with. So perhaps you're safe. > MALONE: Hey, hold. On, I got to - we were going to - I have to jump in. Are you aware of what's happening? Because AI 100% generated all the questions that we asked you.
- janalsncm 2y ago
  Have you considered the possibility that the people you are interviewing may be lying? If the CEO of Dow Chemical gets on Zoom and says the things they’re dumping in the river are safe, what is your AI journalist going to do?
  - telepathy 2y ago
    yeah they do the same thing with humans. except human journalists give you a false sense of security if it's parroted by NYTimes' Judith Miller (or 1000s of other examples)

threeseed 2y ago

> Human journalists have a horrible track record Do they ? Would like to see some statistics on this. Given that journalism produces a lot of content each day and majority is fine.

telepathy 2y ago
I don't think anyone is alleging the majority of BNN was not "fine." It's some tiny percentage that was apparently controversial - just like human journalists. Judith Miller is a good example to look at if you're having trouble with this
- threeseed 2y ago
  You can't say anything about journalism at large if you're talking about a few people.
  - telepathy 2y ago
    Then you can't say anything about AI journalism at large if you're talking about a few prompts/models

add-sub-mul-div 2y ago

> Why do we trust human journalists exactly? Humans are (not often enough in practice, but in principle) accountable. Look at Fox News and Alex Jones paying out over $1 billion for their lies about the election and Sandy Hook, respectively.

telepathy 2y ago
Good one

xarope 2y ago

on the other hand, that's what the pulitzer prize for public service is for, to highlight the efforts of journalists who do precisely this; the truth, and the willingness and effort to put their careers, and sometimes lives, on the line, for the truth - or so my idealist side would like to believe. e.g. watch the movie "Spotlight", https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spotlight_(film) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spotlight_(film)

telepathy 2y ago
Stop trying to learn about reality from movies