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Elon Musk drops suit against OpenAI and Sam Altman
- minimaxir 2y agoElon likely got sufficient satisfaction weirdly complaining about Apple and OpenAI's partnership on Twitter/X yesterday.
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- whalesalad 2y agohttps://x.com/elonmusk/status/1800265431078551973 https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1800265431078551973
- cjk2 2y agoSays the guy selling data collection machines on wheels... Asshat!
- insane_dreamer 2y agosour grapes
- threeseed 2y agoI suspect he was trying to negotiate a place for Grok in Apple's LLM story. With Google, Apple and Samsung having their own locked-in strategies there is now no pathway for Grok to any relevance.
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago> With Google, Apple and Samsung having their own locked-in strategies there is now no pathway for Grok to any relevance( Why wouldn't Apple license Grok?
- lanstin 2y agoBecause they have a brand reputation and all the (recent) words coming out of Elon, his media platform, and his AI are shit and people don't like them and it would conflict with Apple's brand image - they don't even let movie villains use iPhones and you think they'd put the potty mouthed, anti-science pro-fascism LLM he's trying to make onto their phones?
- JumpCrisscross 2y agoSorry, I should have said why couldn't Apple license Grok. Their deal with OpenAI isn't exclusive, after all. Musk's shenanigans are good reasons for Cupertino to keep a wide berth.
- threeseed 2y agoElon's record on trust and safety is not in-line with Apple's values. And ignoring that its quality is far behind OpenAI, Gemini, Anthropic etc.
- rodgerd 2y agoI dunno, why wouldn't you want an LLM trained by a company whose owner keeps inviting child pornographers and neo-Nazis to post? What could possibly go wrong?
- ClassyJacket 2y agoPlease do show me where he explicitly invited child pornographers. Go ahead, link me to the specific place where he said that. I want to see what he said word for word.
- threeseed 2y agoNot sure if he has said anything explicitly. But he has re-invited child pornographers back on the platform. https://www.forbes.com/sites/conormurray/2023/07/27/twitter-suspends-then-unsuspends-popular-right-wing-user-who-tweeted-image-of-child-sexual-abuse/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/conormurray/2023/07/27/twitter-...
- LordDragonfang 2y agoDiscussion from the initial filing: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [2024-03-01] (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39559966 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39559966)
- hn_throwaway_99 2y agoThis was always "lawsuit as press release", and despite the fact that I may agree that how OpenAI essentially morphed into a for-profit entity was dubious, Musk looked a bit ridiculous when it came out that he was essentially just butt hurt that he didn't get to take control of OpenAI under Tesla.
- robotnikman 2y ago>how OpenAI essentially morphed into a for-profit entity This is my big issue with them as well, and the fact that they still stick to 'Open'AI as their name. They might as well just sell themselves to Microsoft at this point. Of course that lawsuit probably was not going to go anywhere though, seems like it was just for publicity.
- wnevets 2y ago> “It’s certainly a good advertisement for the benefit of Elon Musk,” Kevin O’Brien, partner at Ford O’Brien Landy LLP and former assistant U.S. attorney, told CNBC at the time. “I’m not sure about the legal part though.”
- Havoc 2y agoNeither of them are doing their image any favours lately. They'd do much better if they just shut up & built...something they're both clearly good at
- tmpz22 2y agoWhats wrong with their image? They're still able to raise billions no problem. Their day to day doesn't change. Altman just did a big deal with Apple. Musk's board is still likely to cram through a $45B+ comp package for him.
- bee_rider 2y agoAltman has a basically fine image I think, in the sense that nobody outside of tech circles knows his name, and everyone in tech circles must at least admit that he’s good at getting investors. Musk has a reputation as being too demanding, which is one thing if you are doing something revolutionary, but nowadays the market has mostly caught up to his cars. It seems all that over-working his employees has done is produced poor QA. He’s also politically alienating to liberals, who would otherwise be inclined to buy his cars.
- celdon25 2y ago[flagged]
- NickC25 2y agoWhat's wrong with a liberal? How are they alienating to normal people? How would you define "normal"? Also, would love to hear your definition of who is and who isn't "liberal". Remember kids, the left/right & liberal/conservative is a completely false dichotomy.
- impossiblefork 2y agoLiberalism is free trade, property ownership, etc. Many people are excluded from that-- it's an ideology where both the rich and the poor are forbidden from sleeping under bridges. Of course it's alienating to ordinary people. This is why you got movements like social liberalism, to try to temper the madness and turn into something less socially useless, but everything moves back towards its origin, so here in Europe even once reasonably decent social liberal parties have now decayed into liberal parties, into the inherently alienating position that is liberalism's core.
- ilikeitdark 2y agoThe big question is....whose going to play Elon Musk in the true-to-life film version, about the slow downfall of the man who wanted to be king of everything, but ended up a nothing as part of a musical duo with Kanye West, with a Reno casino resort residency.
- pedroma 2y agoI'd watch Elon Musk starring Kanye West as Elon Musk.
- tibbydudeza 2y agoI could have been a contender :).
- jjk166 2y agoKevin Durand was born for the role.
- silisili 2y agoI never thought about it before, but you're right. He's got such an odd presence and unidentifiable accent(to me) in most of his roles, I think he'd be about the best we could ask for.
- indoordin0saur 2y agoHis pipedream rocket company just succeeded at launching and landing the most impressive vehicle ever built by man. You could watch high-def live footage as the thing re-entered at the atmosphere at 20,000mph thanks to the space internet system that is rapidly becoming the best in the world. And in two days he's getting a $56 billion pay day granted to him by Tesla shareholders. It's a little early for schadenfreude.
- shepherdjerred 2y agoWhen would you say the downfall started? Do you think the recent achievements of the companies he's involved with are repeated luck? Would you say that all successful individuals were always successful or had pleasant personalities? I'm not necessarily a huge fan of Musk, but it's always interesting to see how his accomplishments are diminished. The attitudes towards Musk are remarkably similar to how others perceive Steve Jobs.
- jcranmer 2y agoFrom the docket (https://webapps.sftc.org/ci/CaseInfo.dll?CaseNum=CGC24612746 https://webapps.sftc.org/ci/CaseInfo.dll?CaseNum=CGC24612746, if links work correctly), it seems that this is Musk dismissing the case without prejudice (i.e., he can litigate the claims again if he wants) on the eve of a hearing asking the case to be dismissed with prejudice (i.e., precluding him from litigating the claims again). Which makes me think this is a "you can't fire me because I quit" kind of action.
- rmbyrro 2y agoI think he feels bad for leaving OpenAI and is now jealous of what they accomplished. He probably just wanted to cast legal doubt over OpenAI's ability to profit from closed-source models. Which he managed to accomplish. If this hurts OpenAI's prospects to raise money is yet to be seen. I hope not...
- belter 2y agoOr maybe his lawyers explained to him the meaning of legal discovery...
- AstroJetson 2y agoYea, they published some of Elon's emails around this. It wasn't a good look and I think they said "By the way, we will see you at a deposition" and it was over.
- threeseed 2y ago> Which he managed to accomplish He accomplished absolutely nothing. OpenAI has established lucrative partnerships with Apple and Microsoft and are the primary platform developers are building their applications on. They will have no problem profiting and raising money.
- truncate 2y agoThe way things are going, OpenAI can experiment on puppies and that'll still not affect their ability to raise money. They are clearly leading the space right now and making lucrative deals with most valuable companies out there.
- novok 2y agoAh now Elon's freakout about iOS's upcoming ChatGPT integration makes a little bit more sense now.
- warunsl 2y agoHow exactly? His tweets (at least to me) come off extremely jealous of the fact that Apple integrated with OpenAI.
- indoordin0saur 2y agoI'm annoyed what was once an admirable mission of bringing open-source not-for-profit AI to the world was gleefully abandoned as soon as Micro$oft and now Apple threw some money their way. Seems understandable to be peeved if you were someone who put money and effort into this thing due to concerns about an AI arms race.
- Joel_Mckay 2y agoOne can clearly see E.l.o.n. and S.a.m. prototype models in the background: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkismK9a_84 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkismK9a_84 They should act more harmonious moving forwards... lol =3
- mullingitover 2y agoI honestly wonder if Apple should come after him for libel after yesterday's comments. Apple exhaustively demonstrated privacy-focused AI integration in the OS using local models, and the ability to dial out to the OpenAI API, but only with the user authorizing every single call. If Apple isn't going to publicly insult Elon's intelligence by accepting that he really believes his mentally bankrupt statements, he leaves them no choice but to file a libel case. His statements seemed to be carefully and maliciously prepared in a way that would damage Apple.
- loceng 2y agoGood luck to Apple to prove damages. Could you actually outline for us what comments of his you're saying are libel, and explain why they're libel? Rather than just seemingly piling on the ad hominem in this thread.
- mullingitover 2y agoHis shrill statements implying that Apple will be piping all your private data to OpenAI are the exact opposite of what Apple demo'd. It's like they were designed to destroy consumer confidence in Apple's privacy protections across their entire product line, protections which Apple obviously designed at great expense and effort and are core to their business strategy. This is someone with 187 million twitter followers who knew his statements would reach headlines to influence far beyond even the massive following. I don't think it would be hard to prove a billion dollars or more in damages for the kind of legal team Apple could easily assemble.
- loceng 2y agoCan you quote him directly please? You're saying implying but it's more likely you're placing that assumption or interpretation on it. Was it actually concerns he put forward of how easy it would actually be for Apple to do so, rather than claiming they will 100% do so? Re: "I don't think it would be hard to prove a billion dollars or more in damages for the kind of legal team Apple could easily assemble." It's practically impossible to prove - in fact his statement and his reach you talk about could perhaps even have driven up their revenue, if we're just going to play armchair expert and put assumptions forward as reality.
- fs0c13ty00 2y agoTo this point I just want to have a way to block all Musk related news from my doom scrolling time. I just can't see any meaningful value in these news anymore.
- diimdeep 2y agoKim Kardashian of tech, always in the news.
- cchi_co 2y ago[dead]
- floppiplopp 2y agoIs this what he wants to distract from by throwing screaming tantrums over apple and openai? Or is it the $46bn grab-the-money-an-run move as long as the tesla stock is still worth something?